[dev1016] Synthesis interface improvements

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Originally Posted by Nephera

Oh god everyone would be at max crafting TOMORROW.

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Yep, it would be more fun, and it would get more people to play the game.

Thought of something else. When you click on the items to be used in the synthesis, you should just be able to click on "Main Hand" or "Off Hand" without having to close out of the inventory screen. This also applies to a lot of other menus. If the menu is open, I should be able to click on it without having to close out of the lowest level of menu open.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Turn the crafting minigame into a ripoff of Bejeweled, or Puyo Puyo, or Tetris, or some other game.

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I've said this once already. In Goonzu, the crafting is click + wait but they add a mini-game that is a rip-off of Bejeweled, and if you score high on that mini-game your crafting end result get more bonus. First hour it's fun, and after that most people simply don't care about that mini-game any more. The same developers went on to make another MMO, Atlantica Online, and they just scrap the mini-game.

And don't let me get on about "crafting" in Puzzle Quest or PQ: Galactrix mining mini-game. I hate them, they feel more like grinding than MMO grinding.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Turn the crafting minigame into a ripoff of Bejeweled, or Puyo Puyo, or Tetris, or some other game.

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One more note about this - if the crafting minigame were to become something a little more involved and complex - something that couldn't be accomplished by merely pressing enter every 3 seconds, it could cut down on a lot of botting activity.

Even if it takes a little more time than the process we have now, it would be balanced out by being more fun, and by awarding more SP, and by the ability to do multiple crafts at once (so that it would actually be more time efficient to do it that way instead of the old way, even with a bot).

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

I've said this once already. In Goonzu, the crafting is click + wait but they add a mini-game that is a rip-off of Bejeweled, and if you score high on that mini-game your crafting end result get more bonus. First hour it's fun, and after that most people simply don't care about that mini-game any more.

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Oh yeah? hmm. Ideally I'd like the mini game to be just as quick as a synth takes now, only going longer if the player wants to.

Mini-game is only fun if it isn't tied to progression. In TES Oblivion, FO 3 or Risen, the lock-picking or computer hacking mini-games are only fun for the first few times. After that they become a chore. I don't think I have ever read anyone going "Oh wow I lock-picked that difficulty 100 lock, it feels much better than blowing up that Super Mutie with Mini-Nuke".

Self-quote from a previous thread.

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Originally Posted by Fieros

2. The synthesis and gathering mini-games- FFXIV absolutely has the best crafting and gathering of any game on the market. Only system coming remotely close is from Vanguard, which was excellant as well. People have been making comments that without a netflix subscription, they wouldn't be able to work up their DoH skills. I definately agree the fun mini-game becomes monotonous after things slow down and the grinding begins. Once I realized mashing standard synthesis overcomes most of the obstacles the mini-game throws at you- grinding while watching a few movies didn't seem like such a bad idea. More challenge, and rewarding intelligent decisions are the key as opposed to making the process easier or faster.

Also, somewhat on topic- I don't want to see hordes of those RMT bots hasty handing fish into shards surrounding the aquarium in LL all day every day; as well as the fishing bots with no bait/lure equipped so all they attract is crayfish sitting at the fishing hole south of Nophica's Wells. Any changes to curb botting activity would be welcome and if it negatively impacted my experience I wouldn't mind since it would hinder RMT.

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Love to see critical thinking rewarded instead of steam-rolling standard synthesis. As Raim mentioned, the option to craft same recipe again as the local levequests use would make everyone happier.

Hmm, true. Even if the game is more fun it doesnt change that you're doing the same exact thing for 50 levels, with little change.

Hm.

Fighting at its core is essentially the same everywhere you go, but the places you fight are different, and the way you tackle monsters are different.

As far as crafting goes while you occasionally get sent out to camps, a sword crafts the same way as a hammer or a pair of shoes.

Maybe if the minigame (whether we change it or not) needs some sort of progressive change to its mechanics, I mean when you play a puzzle game its not the same exact puzzle every single stage, it gets progressively different (also harder but we dont want crafting to be so hard people dont do it)

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Any changes to curb botting activity would be welcome and if it negatively impacted my experience I wouldn't mind since it would hinder RMT.

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Gotta be careful, though. There were a lot of things implemented in this game that were done in order to hinder RMT and botting, but all it's done is just annoy the legitimate players.

(Fatigue, gathering fatigue, market wards, 4 items per trade, restrictive mob claim system, too many menus, etc)

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Originally Posted by Nephera

Hmm, true. Even if the game is more fun it doesnt change that you're doing the same exact thing for 50 levels, with little change.

Hm.

Fighting at its core is essentially the same everywhere you go, but the places you fight are different, and the way you tackle monsters are different.

As far as crafting goes while you occasionally get sent out to camps a sword crafts the same way as a hammer or a pair of shoes.

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Well, I would also like to see crafting-specific leves that give an SP reward at the end.

Perhaps, take a leve to replenish ammo at a Beastribe blockade. You have 10 minutes to craft as much ammo as you can. Bonuses for achieving certain objectives throughout the quest.


Maybe a hybrid quest - travel to a location, kill a beast guarding a quarry, mine for certain ores, then use those ores in a craft.