Queling Strike and Spells!

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Originally Posted by Fira_Bug

Um... Quelling Strike is an archer ability that gives you more TP on your next auto-shot or WS. It doesn't work on spells. Only works on physical attacks.

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NO. Quelling Strike specifically states it does NOT work on auto-attacks:

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Reduces enmity and increases TP generated by next attack. Does not affect auto-attacks.

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It also does not include wording stating it does not work on attack spells, wording that IS included in other abilities. It should work with spells.

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Originally Posted by Fira_Bug

Since when? That's never worked on my THM. And not to sound mean but... What do you need this for anyways lol? THM's and CNJ's don't have weaponskills anymore.

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You don't use Second Wind? You fail as a mage.

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Originally Posted by Fira_Bug

Since when? That's never worked on my THM. And not to sound mean but... What do you need this for anyways lol? THM's and CNJ's don't have weaponskills anymore.

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when i mage the first thing i do is pop invigorate so i can second wind myself when i need too. saves time cause second wind is faster and mp. if you build 300 tp at start of fight should last you whole fight.

Thanks everyone.

Brigandier your guide seems very well done, I will defintly check it.

130ish Enmity reduction is lackluster at best when you crit for 600-700. Chameleon and nuke-managing is much more reliable. Wand-whacking at start while tank builds hate+invigorate will take care of your TP needs for the whole fight, so added TP is lackluster too. Also, I don't want to add another spell buff that locks me in animations into my rotation, especially for such a minor effect. And lastly, what skill would you remove to add Quelling strike in your bars?

^ lol... you're using it multiple times throughout a fight. easily adding up to a hateless Thundara. Not the most efficient form of hate management, but by no means should be disregarded. As for animation lock, lol again. There's plenty of things that you can replace it with.

Hm, lets see. Cross-class skills so far:

1.Raise
2.Cure
3.Chameleon
4.Sentinel
5.Second Wind
6.Invigorate
7.Sacred Prism
8.Stoneskin
9.Stone
10.Aero

Only possible ones would be Invigorate (but it's MUCH more reliable for TP generation) and Stone/Aero (if your Conjurers can keep up their debuffs). Still, I wouldn't replace any of these with Quelling Strike in a boss environment. So for me, Quelling Strike continues to be lackluster and not needed.

Stone and Aero potency are severely diminished when cross-classing on THM because the spells do not have an INT modifier when cross-classed. Even on CNJ stone only does maybe 200, and that's with the INT modifier. Aero does even less. You are better off spamming Thunder over and over than using either of these spells for DPS. Stone does provide a secondary benefit in MEVA down so I can at least see that argument popping up to keep it on your bar but I have a hard time making a case for Aero. The DoT effect is roughly -13/tick when tested on soil smear, so it just barely (if not even) adds up to a single Thunder.

Personally I wouldn't put either of the CNJ nukes on my THM bar for Ifrit. It is true that the enmity reduction is "lackluster", but there doesn't seem to be any situation where the most optimal next action in the Ifrit fight is to use Stone, and most certainly not Aero. If this still doesn't convince you, then I could also make the case that if you use Quelling Strike every 60 seconds (300TP each), you negate the need for Invigorate because you only need about 250 a minute for Second Wind. Or even use Invigorate then switch your bar at the start of the fight. Again, Quelling Strike is a small benefit, but if you're min/maxing efficiency, it is still required to be "most efficient".

Replace Stone. It reduces earth magic evasion according to the translations of the ability in other languages and the original class skills list posted way back in 1.18 days. Now you can spend more emnity on Thunder and Thundara.

Note: I looked for a few minutes but I couldn't find the link to the original class and job abilities list. Maybe someone else can track it down?

Edit: Nevermind. Apparently that was bad information. Still a fan of Quelling Strike though. I'd take out Invigorate. You can either melee Ifrit to 2k or 3k TP at the start and never need TP, or spam Quelling Strike and probably never need TP, or something in between. Quelling Strike has the added benefit of reducing emnity though.

Again using Lemurs in Treespeak and the Soil Smear ability, Stone gives -29 MEVA where the amount of MEVA down was not dependent on the level of the mob nor the PIE/enfeebling skill of the player (rank of the caster may contribute though). There is no "earth specific" evasion down related to this spell in its actual use, despite whatever translation people have previously referred to.