UPSKIRTS

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Maybe. It kind of bugs me whenever someone /pets me or hugs me. Not to any extreme degree, but it's kind of annoying. So I could see it bothering people.

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I would pet you..

It’s harmless....it’s a video game. No one’s bits are on display.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

Um...Does anyone really have sort of an issue with an upskirt view of their characters like that?! Is there anyone actually caring about it for anything more than comedic/role playing purpose?!

I know that this thread did start as more "for fun" thing...but there are posts that suggest some degree of seriousness already...

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Yes, I would care. My character isn't me but she's representing me, and interacting with other 'real' people, and that's not something I would be okay with in the real world so I don't feel that it is okay here either. Basic social interaction rules should still be in place.

(And this is why I'm extra frustrated by the assortment of skirts that don't come with anything under them, and relic gear that basically gives us fancy underwear when male characters get pants. Not only do I not want to wear those things, but it feels like we're being set up for this.)

It bugs me mostly because it looks awkward, similar to how I find myself unable to wear anything that has really obvious hair/horn clipping.

I ended up just using shorts with all of my glams to get around the issue. *resisted urge to make bad pun*

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Originally Posted by XenoCranel

I would pet you..

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Famous last words.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Maybe. It kind of bugs me whenever someone /pets me or hugs me. Not to any extreme degree, but it's kind of annoying. So I could see it bothering people.

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my fisher wears a bikini with some rubber boots, and what i have noticed is, that people /pet me way more often when i am in that outfit >.>

that's rather creepy, but normally i have no problem with it when people /pet me - at least when i am properly dressed.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

My character isn't me but she's representing me, and interacting with other 'real' people, and that's not something I would be okay with in the real world so I don't feel that it is okay here either. Basic social interaction rules should still be in place.

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I do not mean any offense, but you are in the group of "overreacting" people that are not considered for things like age ratings, gauging scale of harassment and the sort.

I most certainly can understand people not wanting others to look up their clothes, whatever they have underneath them. If they are made to cover, they are supposed to cover. However these social norms...just do not exist in a video game.
1) The avatar is not you. When looking up a skirt of a character, it is not looking up your skirt. Might you feel irritated still? Certainly. But it is "irritating" at most, not any sort of infraction in terms of social norms.
2) The games design makes it simply impossible to avoid. As I said, the characters have no "body". Think of them as ghosts that only materialize a little part at a time in order to attack/heal. This is for obvious reason of preventing people from getting stuck on each other, but it also invalidates anything based on the existence of that body. That means that passing through underneath a persons skirt is "a normal thing", because it was by design.
You know, it works like with different cultures. In one culture showing thumbs up to a taxi will stop it, in another it may land you in a hospital. You either accept those varied cultures (in here, accept the fact that you have no body and people can pass underneath your skirt) or you avoid them.
3) It is possible it is entirely your imagination. I don't play a Lalafell, but I virtually always have my camera at a high angle from as far as it goes. I could not possibly look up any skirt. But when I stop somewhere to talk with an NPC, check logs or whatever, I won't bother looking whether I am "on someone". People can pop-up on top of me, my screen may not load them instantly if I just popped-in myself, others may stop on top of me randomly...there is just no point. So if I would play a lalafell I could end up underneath some characters skirt. Does that make my character a voyeur? And, more importantly, does it make me a voyeur? I'm afraid that is not how it works.


Now, don't get me wrong. You are entitled to your opinion and all. I wouldn't respond to your post if you wrote "(...)that's not something I would be okay with in the real world so I'm not fine with it here either." and ended there. However you are trying to imply validity to making it a "social norm" which, by nature, is in one way or another maintained and thus enforced on the community at large. And that is not fine anymore. You are sensitive in this department in an excessive sort and based on that excessive sensitivity no "norm" or "rule" should exist.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Famous last words.

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Famous last words would probably be "Watch this. /pet"

I'm still amazed at how a simple topic gets derailed into a discussion that brings real life into the equation, also, inthe pic the Hyur IS wearing pants...

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Yes, I would care. My character isn't me but she's representing me, and interacting with other 'real' people, and that's not something I would be okay with in the real world so I don't feel that it is okay here either. Basic social interaction rules should still be in place.

(And this is why I'm extra frustrated by the assortment of skirts that don't come with anything under them, and relic gear that basically gives us fancy underwear when male characters get pants. Not only do I not want to wear those things, but it feels like we're being set up for this.)

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I care, but only so much as "is it harassment/disturbing", because if you let people get away with it, how many times *have* they gotten away with it?

And people, "it's only a game" is a weasel excuse just like "I was only joking" when people try to defend harassment and bullying. It may be culturally ingrained to tease people:

https://i.imgur.com/AnQbNNX.jpg

But there needs to be a payoff to a tease that is not at the completely at the expense of the person being teased. The cutscene above keeps pointing to the girls breasts, but the lets your imagination run away with what "puff puff" is.