Seeing Square Enix in a new light. I am grateful for this game.

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Originally Posted by Mizunoko

Everyone has differing opinions and i am okay with that. All i know is that after playing another mmo i started to miss Final Fantasy 14 and realized how much i really loved it.

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I wanted to chime in that, while I agree Tera is worse, it being worse does not absolve FF14 of its egregious issues. It doesn't deserve your praise all of a sudden because you experienced something worse.

The difference between you and I:

I WAS grateful. Not AM, but WAS. I've played dozens of MMOs and they all have good and bad features. The game is starting to get stale and will need to evolve sooner than later. They really need to fix bad systems, implement new well designed ones, and find a way to really crank out more mid-core content or some form of engaging repeatable battle content.

That's not even getting me started on some of the criminally used side systems that butcher the spirit of their source material. I know you think the cash shop is ok, but honestly it should have just stayed as character/account services and put the content in the game for people to acquire, by actually playing.

I also played the tech test and the 2 betas for tera and yes they had issues but the game runs much better now and i enjoy it.
Not many people knew or know but you can switch channels to less populated ones and sure runs better
I can honestly say there is things it does better then ffxiv, the combat to some degree i enjoy more and you get rewards just for playing.. what.
The rewards from a sub game like ffxiv do not seem as rewarding as Tera but with all of this said there is much enjoyment left in ffxiv for me.

If at all i think both developers can learn from each other and while it is so easy to complain (i know i rant about some stuff sometimes) people have absolutely no clue how much work is involved to make games. Graphically of course ffxiv is better and also runs better for us console folk but both games are fun. When i get burn out at least i now have another MMo to go to aside from Eso which i do not play anymore

Honestly you realize the value of something you have only when you lose them.
Never take anything for granted imho.

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Originally Posted by Maero

I also played the tech test and the 2 betas for tera and yes they had issues but the game runs much better now and i enjoy it.
Not many people knew or know but you can switch channels to less populated ones and sure runs better
I can honestly say there is things it does better then ffxiv, the combat to some degree i enjoy more and you get rewards just for playing.. what.
The rewards from a sub game like ffxiv do not seem as rewarding as Tera but with all of this said there is much enjoyment left in ffxiv for me.

If at all i think both developers can learn from each other and while it is so easy to complain (i know i rant about some stuff sometimes) people have absolutely no clue how much work is involved to make games. Graphically of course ffxiv is better and also runs better for us console folk but both games are fun. When i get burn out at least i now have another MMo to go to aside from Eso which i do not play anymore

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I don't particularly agree or disagree with the whole of your statement, although i will say this as my own opinion i hope square enix never learns anything from enmasse/bluehole, because that would push the two games closer together, and i would rather them stay as far apart as they could possibly be both style wise and performance wise. It's common knowledge you can change channels on tera, and while it does help it doesn't solve all of the issues even if you lower the lurid and graphics all the way, and the games optimization for both ps4 and pc is a huge issue even after all of these years. A simple google search will tell you that through countless peoples experiences with the game regardless of what machine they used to play it.I won't discredit tera as a game, i am only stating that from my experience there is a huge difference in the teams that optimize these 2 separate games and to me they seem worlds apart as far as competence and programming skill is concerned. Tera may be an okay style of game to some but for me it's not and i'm okay with that. This post was less about discrediting tera and more about showing my appreciation that final fantasy nailed it in terms of game style suited to my specific tastes.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The quality can vary, imo. Sometimes they hit it out of the park, otherwise it's strike 1, 2 or 3. Overall I'm happy with the game myself, but it does have its issues. No game is truly perfect though. Playing multiple MMOs like I do sorta allows for a clearer picture. Some games simply do things better than others. Server limitations are holding this game back. If they could remedy that, a lot more could be done. In theory.

But that said, there's nothing wrong with XIV possibly copying other MMOs more. MMOs copy each other all the time. As far as this game goes, I like the combat and dungeons/raids. It all feels pretty engaging. I also like housing, despite how flawed it is. There's a lot to like about the game, but when you see other games of lesser quality doing certain things better, it makes one wonder.



The cash shop is a bit of a dirty tactic. They make people PAY for more storage space, on top of the million and one things otherwise. SE is a business first and foremost, and to say that they don't go out of their way to make that extra dollar is nonsense. They do so every month to the point it makes me sick. I can't really blame them however, it's a smart move. Plenty of people willing to pay. I like the company and their games, but your view of them is a bit...off.

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I think this is just where me and you have differing opinions. Square enix doesnt sell pay to win items in their optional store and i think that is a huge difference from games that do. That is mainly what i meant about them not using dirty tactics. If you think that them selling glamour items is not okay then that's just a differing opinion. I will acknowledge that it is so they can make an extra dollar and they don't need to do it, but it is as you said. They are a business and a business is about profit. What i stated was more about the diference in levels of tactics between mog station and other games pay to win tactics.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The quality can vary, imo. Sometimes they hit it out of the park, otherwise it's strike 1, 2 or 3. Overall I'm happy with the game myself, but it does have its issues. No game is truly perfect though. Playing multiple MMOs like I do sorta allows for a clearer picture. Some games simply do things better than others. Server limitations are holding this game back. If they could remedy that, a lot more could be done. In theory.

But that said, there's nothing wrong with XIV possibly copying other MMOs more. MMOs copy each other all the time. As far as this game goes, I like the combat and dungeons/raids. It all feels pretty engaging. I also like housing, despite how flawed it is. There's a lot to like about the game, but when you see other games of lesser quality doing certain things better, it makes one wonder.



The cash shop is a bit of a dirty tactic. They make people PAY for more storage space, on top of the million and one things otherwise. SE is a business first and foremost, and to say that they don't go out of their way to make that extra dollar is nonsense. They do so every month to the point it makes me sick. I can't really blame them however, it's a smart move. Plenty of people willing to pay. I like the company and their games, but your view of them is a bit...off.

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Exactly, if you want a game where the development tries something different, there is wow or ffxi.
FFXIV is just repeating the same thing it has done since 2.0. The only time they went to try do something different is diadem and PoTD

SE is not trying enough when it comes to QoL changes in regards of inventory, they just do the reverse, try to bloat your inventory to engorgement of buying more retainers. For the mog shop, again compare it to wow who is sub base, most things are account wide, not single character or .70 EUR dyes. I will agree to you though, it is smart, but not exactly fair for the consumer.


Let us not forget the EUR 13.50 maid outfits where a lot of EU countries got no promotion at all.
Just because SE is doing better then a Ptw model, does not mean they are invulnerable to criticism.
Mog station tactics and general customer service are big issues with SE, WoW is light years a head in these areas (and general game functionality, i/e player search interfaces and going into instanced content like eurkia)
(then releasing a content for 4.25 that was unfinished after major delays with trimming content that would normally be in the game if it was not for said place in question)

Sure you can find nice communities within FFXIV, but that is not SE's direct touch. I am still happily to play this game with my SO, but I am not blind to problems.

Plus i really do not know much of the game, but you got to consider age too, FFXIV 1.0 was not great either. You are comparing a new game to one in the 3rd expansion?

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Originally Posted by Mizunoko

I think this is just where me and you have differing opinions. Square enix doesnt sell pay to win items

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In a way retainers are a way to pay to win when it comes to owning the MB, the only reason this is not a big issue as it could be, is that progression is not locked behind it.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Exactly, if you want a game where the development tries something different, there is wow or ffxi.
FFXIV is just repeating the same thing it has done since 2.0. The only time they went to try do something different is diadem and PoTD

SE is not trying enough when it comes to QoL changes in regards of inventory, they just do the reverse, try to bloat your inventory to engorgement of buying more retainers. For the mog shop, again compare it to wow who is sub base, most things are account wide, not single character or .70 EUR dyes. I will agree to you though, it is smart, but not exactly fair for the consumer.


Let us not forget the EUR 13.50 maid outfits where a lot of EU countries got no promotion at all.
Just because SE is doing better then a Ptw model, does not mean they are invulnerable to criticism. Mog station tactics and general customer service are big issues with SE, WoW is light years a head in these areas (and general game functionality, i/e player search interfaces and going into instanced content like eurkia)
(then releasing a content for 4.25 that was unfinished after major delays with trimming content that would normally be in the game if it was not for said place in question)

Sure you can find nice communities within FFXIV, but that is not SE's direct touch. I am still happily to play this game with my SO, but I am not blind to problems.

Plus i really do not know much of the game, but you got to consider age too, FFXIV 1.0 was not great either. You are comparing a new game to one in the 3rd expansion?


In a way retainers are a way to pay to win when it comes to owning the MB, the only reason this is not a big issue as it could be, is that progression is not locked behind it.

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I'm not saying they are invulnerable to any criticism nor am i defending square enix. The whole point of this thread was to give my appreciation on what they have accomplished so far. I won't disagree with you that they could strive for even better greatness as a game. What i'm saying is not to defend square enix. I am simply voicing myself of my experience that it COULD be worse and that i am happy it's not. As for any current issues ffxiv itself has yes i'm sure they could do a better job and fix those. I myself have felt that way before, for example take the mass people dc'ing in eureka issue that was never attended to. To a lot of people who had that issue it WAS a big deal and we all felt it just got brushed aside for more minor things. But this is getting off track. Again this is neither to defend SE from actual constructive criticism or to claim that they are the best around. It is simply to offer my appreciation for the work they have done thus far to at the least make this game something i enjoyed in comparison to other games i have tried. It makes it feel like i will always have a base mmo/home to come to if i don't like anything else.

Why any threads that's not pessimistic about the direction of the game must be labeled as one defending the company in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Why any threads that's not pessimistic about the direction of the game must be labeled as one defending the company in the first place?

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I have no clue lol. I myself tend to lean more on the side of pessimism as i always want to see people and companies try to do a better job. You can probably tell that based on my forum post history. I think people seem to misinterpret the things i say and label me as one side or the other when in fact the way i view myself is more middle and non-bias. I try to speak up when i feel square enix did bad and i want to praise them when they do good. Honestly thats the simplicity of it. If people want to label me anything other than middle ground i guess they will just do it anyway. All i know is i'm always trying to be sincere and from the heart and i myself don't see any wrong in that.

Loved FFXIV in begining, mainly because what a did saw it could became.
I began with EQ, WoW, tried many others (mainly tera aion, i speak "long time" more than 3 poor month) then, FFXIV, and had stars in eyes.
Then the game didnt get really new things, Eureka is nothing new for example (bashing... 20 years old. fate, like when i did level my jobs before 2.1. and the elemental system is not so innovativ. boring thing, nothing to really do with)



On other side, i did test BnS, and had some charms, and played BDO, i log in this last some times again. Also came back to wow that did also tried new thigns (some things are bad, some are good, but at least... they try different things)

When i travel from game to game, i always see how much FFXIV would need to have real new things. More "POTD" things. not "things like POTD" (even if i want to see the next deep dongeon) but to create new things, rethink the game. The game need to vary, to evolve, not just grow...

But there, most thing i see "it could be worst" or "it is just a first try for eureka, it just need some improvment" . We speak about a game made by Square Enix. A Final Fantasy Game. not even a FF spin of, but a numbered one. The expectation are far more higher than some unfinished things like eureka anemos.

We speak about a game with 250-300 people in the team for it! not a kickstarter game with 40 people...


The more i watch elsewhere FFXIV, the more i see all matters with FFXIV.
Yes there is worst, but for a FFXIV i prefer see to the top games. . . I really dont care anything about "there is worst".

And... the cash shop shouldnt exist. Simply...