[BLM Suggestion] Raise spell using Foul stack.

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Originally Posted by P_Wing

That would mean they'll reduce BLM dps though cause free raise (albeit 180s). I wouldn't want that!

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Giving Black Mages a Magic Vuln reduces their DPS, because Black Mages will be balanced around having it, thus giving them a net gain of 0
Giving Black Mages more tools to ignore movement lowers their DPS, because Black Mages are assumed to work around it (This is primarily why the cross classes in 2.0 were nerfed: Because Bards had -all of them- and were 100% uptime hyper mobile DPS)
Your implementation of Raise -lowers DPS- by requiring Swift or Triple -and- Foul to pull off.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Not all Role actions need to be used by everyone class of that role.
True North on Samurai for example.
So yeah, Mana Shift doesn't have to be used by BLM.

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That was my point. BLM doesn't have room in its rotation for spending mana or GCDs for anything except damage. However, people saw mana shift when it first came out and thought "omg, BLM infinite mana battery" much in the same way that people are saying "BLM needs a raise", but when you look at either statement with any kind of thought neither statements work in practice.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Giving Black Mages a Magic Vuln reduces their DPS, because Black Mages will be balanced around having it, thus giving them a net gain of 0

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More DPS isn't really the point of giving BLM a magic vuln, party meta is. It would mean that BLM is more attractive in parties with other casters, and even PLD.

Mana shift works fine on BLM, you just use it after thundercloud procs in umbral. Heck, you can use it between Foul and Thunder or Thunder and B4 once every two minutes and it’s no big deal.

BLM definitely shouldn’t get a raise, but what they could get is the ability to grant another caster an extra swiftcast and/or free spell.

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Originally Posted by Ferrinus

Mana shift works fine on BLM, you just use it after thundercloud procs in umbral. Heck, you can use it between Foul and Thunder or Thunder and B4 once every two minutes and it’s no big deal.

BLM definitely shouldn’t get a raise, but what they could get is the ability to grant another caster an extra swiftcast and/or free spell.

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I don't play BLM so I'm not 100% sure on this, but if you Mana Shift someone, even if after an instant spell so you lose no gcds, wouldn't you miss out on an extra Fire cast? Because of you missing around 2.5k MP from your current rotation?

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Originally Posted by TraeSnow

I don't play BLM so I'm not 100% sure on this, but if you Mana Shift someone, even if after an instant spell so you lose no gcds, wouldn't you miss out on an extra Fire cast? Because of you missing around 2.5k MP from your current rotation?

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Umbral is the ice phase(Mana regeneration phase) and due to the rotation you are generally in excess anyways and wouldn't miss the 2.5k when switching to astral.

Also no to BLM Raise. BLM is a turret and likes being a turret and is a turret that eats aoes to continue being a turret because a BLM that isn't a turret is a RDM wanna be.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

Umbral is the ice phase(Mana regeneration phase) and due to the rotation you are generally in excess anyways and wouldn't miss the 2.5k when switching to astral.

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Right. The key is to not do it right after Blizz3 (because you’ll have like no mp and end up sending your healer a care package of 50 points or something) and not to do it right before Fire3 (because you’ll be entering astral phase with a 3096 mp deficit).

Since the usual umbral phase is B3, Foul *, T3*, B4, F3, it’s safe to manashidt wherever I put an asterisk. After T3 is a little safer than Foul since it’s possible to get a mana tick after Foul if you’re going really fast.

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Originally Posted by Ferrinus

BLM definitely shouldn’t get a raise, but what they could get is the ability to grant another caster an extra swiftcast and/or free spell.

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This sounds like a good idea.
Something like 'Triple Shift', after using Triple Cast, use to transfer one of the casts to a party member.

However... DPS loss means it'll never happen, again.

Would be useful for giving the healer a swiftcast when theirs is still on cool down though.

I think the biggest issue with Raise on a Black Mage is that unlike Red Mage or Summoner, Black Mage not only completely lacks oGCD attacks, but their only form of direct contribution to the boss is their damage. You cannot put a Raise on a Black Mage because it ultimately damages a BLM's contribution far more than a SMN or RDM using Raise, nor would Black Mages WANT to do so.

No on raise. I always thought the easiest solution would be to add a trait that puts a rider on manaward or ley lines. Something like when you use ley lines party members(say within the radius of a bard song) get a 1-2% magic damage boost for the duration(or even a reducing boost like the one RDM gets). Or manaward could reduce incoming damage(maybe magic only?) for group members by like 5%.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Not all Role actions need to be used by everyone class of that role.
True North on Samurai for example.

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Sorry to derail it a bit, but... what? Is that example for real? You've gotta be kidding me.