8-player raid roulette - when?

I would be fine with all 8 person raid content being included. How can the player base ever get better if they arent exposed to challenges?

A roulette is not the right place to get that since ppl join roulette for fast gain and not for challenge,

98% the time it'll be Alex or Omega since ppl que for that, sooo whatever^^

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Originally Posted by Remedi

A roulette is not the right place to get that since ppl join roulette for fast gain and not for challenge,

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And mentor roulette can put people in expert trials synced. So your argument is not entirely accurate.

Ye about that, I'm very curious about how many ppl actually do that and the % of it succeding and not disbanding after few wipe and how many actually ppl do it for the reward of the roulette and not because of the mount.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Ye about that, I'm very curious about how many ppl actually do that and the % of it succeding and not disbanding after few wipe and how many actually ppl do it for the reward of the roulette and not because of the mount.

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Nothing like joining a mentor roulette in the morning before work, and getting Titan Ex. :D

So, I would argue that T1-4, T6-8, Alexander normal, and Omega normal, would all fit the bill for this. T5/9/12/13 are definite no-nos (maybe create a Savage Roulette for them plus Alex/Omega Savage if you insist on all coils being in a roulette, but where would Coil Savage fit in that?). T9/10 I'm not so sure of where they'd fit.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

So, I would argue that T1-4, T6-8, Alexander normal, and Omega normal, would all fit the bill for this. T5/9/12/13 are definite no-nos (maybe create a Savage Roulette for them plus Alex/Omega Savage if you insist on all coils being in a roulette, but where would Coil Savage fit in that?). T9/10 I'm not so sure of where they'd fit.

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I remember DFing SCOB back when it had echo, got nerfed and FCOB was out. Out of all these turns, I'd say that T8 is still not suitable for pugs with a majority or mostly first timers. Mechanics like Allagan Field and Ballistic Missile didn't get nerfed, and a clunky tower management can still wipe the raid. It's far harder than both Gordias, Midas and Creator NM. From T10 to T12, they only added echo, but it remains on savage difficulty, which means that that echo can only do so much if you don't know the mechanics. The full FCOB would be out of the roulette for sure.

A proper raid roulette should include only Alexander and Omega, in my opinion. Because if they include Coil, they will have to include it completely because of its story. We all know that some fights are just impossible for pugs and facerollers. T5, T9 and T13 can't be facerolled. It's highly unlikely that they will nerf them at this point, since they don't re-visit old content and it has been nerfed already.

Ultimately, the gear from Coil can be crafted, so it's not much of a loss glamour wise, even if the tomestones to craft them drop from there. People craft them and sell them. BCOB gear and SCOB weapons drops from the bags in PoTD even. The gear from Omega and Alexander doesn't have a crafting alternative.

I would love an 8 man roulette. People keep bringing up Coils but they shouldn't and wouldn't be in the same roulette with story mode raids. The devs are aware of the difference in difficulty because Coils were not included in mentor roulette whereas the other normal raids were. People claim the MSQ roulette died when the dungeons became a little longer so a raid roulette with savage equivalent raids would be dead on arrival. What would be the point then if almost no one queues for it?

It's going to happen sooner or later, only question is if coils will be included/updated/nerfed.