Lets talk about flash. PAL

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Originally Posted by Launched

You're really underestimating how good a spammable 110 potency aoe is, especially with Fight or Flight and 15% damage reduction on Shield Oath compared to 20% on Defiance/Grit. It's almost as much dps as Overpower.

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I see the numbers behind it, and yet when I look at the results in all the dungeons I run levelling Paladin... it just doesn't look worth it. When the difference is that negligible, I'd rather put my time into ST damage because killing an enemy is an excellent way to increase mitigation.

anything in shield oath gives eminity the skills that have eminity built in is a multiplier

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Originally Posted by DamianTenbe

I know that drk need an immediate attention but let's talk about flash on paladin. It's design is not good imo. It should be converted into holy from whm or something similar to overpower or unleash. I know paladin is in good position right know but isnt flash silly right now? Leeme know what you think.

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Flash is fine. It gives immense threat and blinds. What else should it do, make sandwiches?

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

Flash is fine. It gives immense threat and blinds. What else should it do, make sandwiches?

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Why so hostile about my opinion? I just think it should deal dmg. I think just blind isn't enough and not worth it.

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Originally Posted by DamianTenbe

Why so hostile about my opinion? I just think it should deal dmg. I think just blind isn't enough and not worth it.

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Disagreement isn't hostility. Me typing GO FIND A SAFESPACE IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE A JOKE, BUTTERCUP in all caps might be though. Good thing I didn't do that.

I'm not your pal, buddy. I think you're thinking of "PLD".
But I honestly think Flash is fine for it's utility. Blind is a nice mostly-unnoticed defensive debuff as well.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

Disagreement isn't hostility. Me typing GO FIND A SAFESPACE IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE A JOKE, BUTTERCUP in all caps might be though. Good thing I didn't do that.

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Idk. Perhaps that part about sandwiches made me think you are mad at me for bringing this topic up but hey, good job with that sarcasm heh.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I'm not your pal, buddy. I think you're thinking of "PLD".
But I honestly think Flash is fine for it's utility. Blind is a nice mostly-unnoticed defensive debuff as well.

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I m not your buddy, friend. It was so tempting I had do it xD. Anyways I feel like paladin gauge could be used more for aoe dmg like in other tanks. It's not the def utilities it lacks but aoe dmg.

Seems pretty fair to me.

- WAR has to deal with a cone as opposed to a nice, easy full circle radius, so decent damage and higher potency than DRK makes sense.
- DRK has to use MP for "everything" else in the main lineup of skills to even try to compete with other tanks, and the potency is pretty low.
- PLD's flash costs MP, which translates to "free" prior to 58, and still largely negligible afterwards, as most damage skills (Outside of Holy Spirit) are TP, allowing you to use it at little cost. Also, blind is awesome, since you don't have to worry about attacks landing to make use of the MP regen of Blood Price, etc.

Each tank has ups and downs to their primary AoE enmity generation skill. That, at least, seems to be decently balanced.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

I see the numbers behind it, and yet when I look at the results in all the dungeons I run levelling Paladin... it just doesn't look worth it. When the difference is that negligible, I'd rather put my time into ST damage because killing an enemy is an excellent way to increase mitigation.

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Except that, in general, AoE abilities are always less potency per target than a single target ability. So, the "results" are all relatively the same on any job. I mean, I like seeing 23k Fell Cleaves but that doesn't mean it's better for me to keep spamming FC in a 6+ mob pull, right?

I mostly agree with you, by itself 110 potency is pretty lackluster if you're just looking at a single hit. But it's not about that, it's the overall contribution - combining everyone's AoE damage and making the most of buffs available to nuke down a group of enemies. That 10k party dps becomes 8k because you chose not to aoe with them (made up numbers, but still).

So, just do it. Paladins suffered without AoE for long enough :p

As for Flash itself. It does what it needs to do just fine. Is it a bit bland? Sure. Does it have a borderline annoying sound effect? Sure. But there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it. And I miss it sorely on Warrior.