Thx MCH have a lot of CC and is still a DD ^^ (3 CC to be exact, which is a lot in this mode).
I think it could be a good idea for DRG to at least have "Heavy" on their 60sec CD skill "Skewer", that would have sense in their kit imo after jumping on someone without completely stoping them either.
Any other suggestions about what could be added to every classes? I just feel some details could be done, and even just 1 or 2 more skills to all could be a thing.
Also, for MNK, a 2sec or 3sec silence on their 1rst or 2nd dash could be nice, it's almost instant animation, and it could help them a lot (and the way it hits could explain the person has its breath stoped). They are imo awesome healers-counter due to their very high burst and a silence could really help to underline that fact. Also it would help them to set up a bit better against range when dashing on them the 1rst time.
So imo :
DRG : 1) 6sec Heavy effect on Skewer (60sec CD) or 3sec Heavy effect on Skewer and makes the heal nerf of -20% instead of just 10% it's way not enough imo :/
2) Dragon Sight blocks the next CC for you and your linked ally (one each).
3) Getting a kill would add 5sec to our Blood of the Dragon/Life of the Dragon bonus
Note : I don't feel like the DRG needs any more actions directly.
MNK : 1) 2 or 3sec silence on their 1rst dash (reason above, mainly anti-healer + giving some hope vs range) (30sec CD).
2) When Riddle of Earth proc, provides one Greased Lightning stack and one Chakra stack. That would help to speed up things a bit.
3) I guess no escaping tool is made on purpose, but it would be great to get one other than dashing on a harmless target (and if we still have dashes and a target :/ ) Maybe using Riddle of Wind able to target allies would be nice (so the 2nd dash only).
SAM : I don't know them enough to know what they would need, and I think they are fine how they are, so I prefer to let someone else talk about their case. Having Sprint for free would certainly be enough already to let them get the TP pvp skill instead or one more defensive pvp skill.
NIN : Obviously don't need anything about more CC or mobility.
BLM : Maybe make their Aetherial Manipulation move usable during roots.
SE when are you going to add new PVP actions?
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12-23-2017, 08:13 AMFannah
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12-23-2017, 09:32 AMRiyahArp
I'm not sure what these abilties would add.
Weapon Throw would just mean it would be impossible to escape a bad fight, although it would nerf ranged physical some.
Sacred Soil is just more healing and mitigation.
You could give everyone a stun and silence, but it would just raise deaths mostly. It would bring healers down, but then DPS wouldn't be able to back and forth any, making healers even more powerful; stun + burst is dead.
More OGCD actions for DPS would buff their burst.
It depends what you want pvp to be. I think more actions would kind of make it "blink and your dead" a lot more. -
12-23-2017, 04:31 PMMirch
Stop complain. Play with what you got.
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12-23-2017, 05:45 PMThirdChild_ZKIDEPTH. You know, like it used to have.Quote:
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Stuns, knockbacks, Sleep, binds, Heavy. . . Can't hit what they can't catch. As a last ditch effort, you can literally just unleash on them. I'd sent many a tank or overconfident melee running from me before. Also Purify and SPRINT, if the Weapon Throw didn't remove it.Quote:
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If they're allowed to stand in it. So many ways to handle that I'd have to make a separate post. . .Quote:
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People weren't invincible before. Stun + burst was the gospel of the melee back then. And look how they're doing these days without it? It wouldn't make healers more powerful, it would make countering burst or healing through/mitigating it more important, all of which is a shared team responsibility.Quote:
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Press F to pay respects to the MCH burst. Guess who doesn't really have any oGCDs and is considered the worst ranged in the Feast?Quote:
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As opposed to 6v1, DPS-Healer, in the healer's favor? Again, effective cc and burst was the name of the game back then, and yet there were healers that could handle it just fine.Quote:
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12-23-2017, 07:43 PMMirchyou can have 1 button or 40, if you suck, you suck, git gud.Quote:
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12-23-2017, 07:49 PMRiyahArp
I am not arguing every point. If you want more CC, you want a pvp that's a lot less forgiving of mistakes, and will lead to more player depths and much more zerging. If you're ok with that, cool. Just when you suggest stuff, don't just do it on nostalgia; have a clear idea about how you want pvp to be in all aspects, and then build movesets from there.
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12-24-2017, 12:54 AMFannahIn a way I agree, but in another, I could tell you then to shut down the forum and any suggestion topic of all games in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirch
That's a funny way to say you disagree, but that's overall stupid to say on a forum.
In game, when someone complains, yea it makes sense as we have to do with what we've got, because we have no choice anyway, but yea, it's a forum here. -
12-24-2017, 03:38 AMThirdChild_ZKIYour mistaking my experience for nostalgia again. Please don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiyahArp
It's also important to note, the PvP system we have now is less forgiving of mistakes because players don't have the wholly familar tools/skills of their job from PvE or cc skills to utilize as a means of counterplay, thus it's even easier to zerg now. It's easier because there's fewer skills to counter an advance with, even a weak one. Not to mention the continued, general lack of understanding of jobs even reduced to 9 buttons.
I again contend that there were plenty of skilled, even exceptional players in the system we had before that you consider so "less forgiving of mistakes". They were either good enough to not make those mistakes, or adaptable enough with the tools they had to minimize the effects of said mistake. That's not nearly as possible now with this system we have. -
12-24-2017, 03:54 AMFannah
I feel like not existing at all, am I real? :p
Can I have any opinion about my suggestions?
1) Giving DRG's Skewer a Heavy effect (for 3 or 6sec)
2) Giving MNK's 1rst dash a Silence effect (for 2 or 3sec)
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12-24-2017, 07:01 AMRiyahArp
I don't think you want silence on a dash, since its the first move you use to gap close. You want it on an OGCD to use in bursts. I don't think heavy helps, it should only be a sprint cancel. In general you tend to fight around objectives as it is, and its nice to be able to flee rather than every fight be one to the death.
There wasn't much in the way of realistic counterplay to getting stunned. You had purify, that was it. What CC did was make it so that you had to commit to every attack because you couldn't escape, and if you got caught out of position, you often couldn't act at all. Feast it didn't matter, but fronlines it did.Quote:
It's also important to note, the PvP system we have now is less forgiving of mistakes because players don't have the wholly familar tools/skills of their job from PvE or cc skills to utilize as a means of counterplay, thus it's even easier to zerg now. It's easier because there's fewer skills to counter an advance with, even a weak one. Not to mention the continued, general lack of understanding of jobs even reduced to 9 buttons.
I again contend that there were plenty of skilled, even exceptional players in the system we had before that you consider so "less forgiving of mistakes". They were either good enough to not make those mistakes, or adaptable enough with the tools they had to minimize the effects of said mistake. That's not nearly as possible now with this system we have.