Has anyone been banned for using Perform yet?

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

I totally don't understand the issue SE has with this. Since you can't macro perform you're technically playing the song yourself, perform is just the instrument you're using. It's equivalent to going to the guitar shop and picking up a guitar and the sales guy telling you that you aren't allowed to play Led Zeppelin songs because they don't have the rights to those songs.

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Because of those pesky copyright laws.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Because of those pesky copyright laws.

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Those pesky copyright laws should only effect the player, not SE. SE is nether performing, nor distributing the material so there's literally no reason they should be held liable if someone did get a copyright strike.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

They're not playing Square Enix's music at all. Cause Square Enix doesn't have any music. Square Enix is neither a music band nor a music studio. They are developers that pay artist to make music which Square Enix uses in specified amount of games. The more games, the more they need to pay, so that's usually one.
The artists, which are not part of Square Enix, hold the actual rights to the music. Square Enix only licenses it so that they are allowed to share it with the public, just like how you would need to pay the artist of a song that you want to play on stage at some bar or festival.

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Wow hold on I had to address this.

You don't understand how copyright works at all. For all of the tracks Nobuo Uematsu made from FF1-FF11, he owns absolutely zero of them. He was employed by Square at the time in which his job was to create music. By standard copyright practice any and all music created by him during this time period belongs to Square unless otherwise agreed upon. After this time period he left Square, now Square Enix, and became more of a contractor. Square commissioned his work for title songs. These songs are not necessarily owned by Square, but Square currently holds the rights to use them. Square cannot however extend these rights to anyone they like (the players). These would be Answers, Dragonsong, and whatever else they pointed out for us not to play.

To loosely quote one of the devs of FFXV before the launch of the game, when asked if they could put in old FF music to listen to in the in-game car: "we own that music, and that sounds like a good idea, so we'll do that". And thusly so, a wide range of music spanning FFI - FFXIV was included in the game. Indeed, Square also owns the majority of the music within FFXIV. Not the intro title music that they commissioned from Uematsu, but all of the music created by the sound team under Square.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Those pesky copyright laws should only effect the player, not SE. SE is nether performing, nor distributing the material so there's literally no reason they should be held liable if someone did get a copyright strike.

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That is an interesting point. When someone does a piano cover of a song, does the artist sue the piano maker for the piano player? SE is really just the instrument.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Wow hold on I had to address this.

You don't understand how copyright works at all. For all of the tracks Nobuo Uematsu made from FF1-FF11, he owns absolutely zero of them. He was employed by Square at the time in which his job was to create music. By standard copyright practice any and all music created by him during this time period belongs to Square unless otherwise agreed upon. After this time period he left Square, now Square Enix, and became more of a contractor. Square commissioned his work for title songs. These songs are not necessarily owned by Square, but Square currently holds the rights to use them. Square cannot however extend these rights to anyone they like (the players). These would be Answers, Dragonsong, and whatever else they pointed out for us not to play.

To loosely quote one of the devs of FFXV before the launch of the game, when asked if they could put in old FF music to listen to in the in-game car: "we own that music, and that sounds like a good idea, so we'll do that". And thusly so, a wide range of music spanning FFI - FFXIV was included in the game. Indeed, Square also owns the majority of the music within FFXIV. Not the intro title music that they commissioned from Uematsu, but all of the music created by the sound team under Square.

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I was thinking the same thing. When a track is made for a TV, Movie, or video game; the studio owns the copyrights of that sound piece. It's why a B movie space drama can't license the soundtrack of Star Wars from John Williams to play in their movie, because Disney now owns the rights to those notes. Same reason an indie RPG can't license the FF soundtrack from Nobou Uematsu. My frustration comes from that. Someone made a video of them playing Balamb Garden from FFVIII and had that video blocked by SE, makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

I totally don't understand the issue SE has with this. Since you can't macro perform you're technically playing the song yourself, perform is just the instrument you're using. It's equivalent to going to the guitar shop and picking up a guitar and the sales guy telling you that you aren't allowed to play Led Zeppelin songs because they don't have the rights to those songs.

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Technically, naming your character Cloud Sephiroth and Sasuke Stark is a bannable offense. Realistically, though, it doesn't happen.

As has been said to death... SE's just covering themselves. As long as the copyright holders aren't complaining, nothing will happen. But SE does have to put those notices up so they are covered.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Wow hold on I had to address this.

You don't understand how copyright works at all.

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They don't understand what SE does in general either since a large amount of their business is multimedia publishing and distribution which includes music.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Someone made a video of them playing Balamb Garden from FFVIII and had that video blocked by SE, makes no sense.

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Given the nature of copyright claims on YouTube, are we really sure SE took it down?

I’ve done part of the opening theme song from Yoshi’s Story a bunch of times. I haven’t gotten in trouble yet. But then again I never did it where people could hear it. Or on video. jeez I hope I don’t get in trouble because I posted this..

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

I totally don't understand the issue SE has with this. Since you can't macro perform you're technically playing the song yourself, perform is just the instrument you're using. It's equivalent to going to the guitar shop and picking up a guitar and the sales guy telling you that you aren't allowed to play Led Zeppelin songs because they don't have the rights to those songs.

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Those are completely different scenarios lol. You are "allowed" to play any song with the Perform ability just as you are "allowed" to play any song in the guitar shop. The problem here is when people are uploading their stuff to YouTube or other social media outlets where views can equal money off of someone's intellectual property.

I don't understand why this issue is confusing some people when SE specifically said not to post Perform renditions online. Then people decide to do it anyway and the community wants more insight into this? They literally said this weeks before the patch came out and even updated the FFXIV License Usage following patch 4.15:
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General Guidelines
These guidelines apply to any and all use of the Materials:

You may not use the Materials for any sales or commercial use, meaning you cannot receive license fees or advertising revenue, except as part of the partner programs operated by YouTube.com, Twitch.tv, Ustream.tv, or similar programs. If the operator of a partner program seeks to confirm our policy, please point them to this page as we do not have the resources to respond to all requests.
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Originally Posted by Freyt

Given the nature of copyright claims on YouTube, are we really sure SE took it down?

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One of the videos has an actual mention that the copyright strike came from Square Enix.

So probably.