Paladin - some QoL ideas

And ffs, pop a cd while gathering mobs. It will keep the healer from having to use hots in the first place during large pulls.

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

I deal with hots and overzealous dps as such: click off regens before engaging next pack. Flash through pack. Watch enemy list for dropping hp, rotate camera and shield lob said enemy losing the most hp. Continue with pack pulling. Pretty simple stuff.

If you can’t hold aggro with that, get better gear and try again.

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You misunderstand me completely Boris, I'm not complaining that I cant hold aggro. I just wish I could do AoE aggro in such situation other way than spamming flash, which does just fell wrong to me :)

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Originally Posted by RylaBee

You misunderstand me completely Boris, I'm not complaining that I cant hold aggro. I just wish I could do AoE aggro in such situation other way than spamming flash, which does just fell wrong to me :)

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But you already can? Spamming flash is not a thing that is required at all, generally i will use flash once, then TE 2-3 times then flash ONCE again etc. spamming it is really not how its supposed to be used. Also because you will entirely negate the blind debuff it provides if you do that.

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Originally Posted by Thela

But you already can? Spamming flash is not a thing that is required at all, generally i will use flash once, then TE 2-3 times then flash ONCE again etc. spamming it is really not how its supposed to be used. Also because you will entirely negate the blind debuff it provides if you do that.

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Precisely. I don't PLD too often (esp dungeons when I mostly go dps to take a break from tanking), but yea you only need a few flashes total per pull. Spread them out between TE's and ride the blind debuff as long as you can. Beyond those 2-3 spread out flashes you shouldn't need anymore.

What Whiskeybravo and Thela said. I typically can Flash, CoS and go straight into Eclipse spam with FoF up.

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Originally Posted by RylaBee

Thanks for explanation, I misunderstood the ability description. There is sentence at the end that HP recovery will remove it - and its not after description of your buff, but after description of Barrier that is on others.

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Aah, gotcha. I see how the tool tip could be confusing. Indeed, the effect that ends upon healing received is only the "Divine Veil" buff that you get on yourself, which does nothing. The activation of Divine Veil is actually pretty flexible due to the long duration of the buff on the PLD. You can theoretically pop it as far as 55 seconds before the barrier is actually needed if you're off-tanking. If you get healed as the buff is about to fall off, the barrier will then last for anoter 30 seconds. It's quite handy, really!

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Originally Posted by BorisDaBlade

And ffs, pop a cd while gathering mobs. It will keep the healer from having to use hots in the first place during large pulls.

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Or just pop Sprint right before you're about to gain hate from a single target. The 20 seconds worth of Sprint will make it so you take minimal damage while you're gathering mobs, and thus will free up the use of a CD for when you're actually taking hits to the face! o7

Another good tip is popping Convalescence as you're gathering mobs. A healer who does DPS will use Largesse, put HoTs on you and then go ham, usually as soon as you stop running. If Convalescence is already up by then, the HoT will be stronger and you'll need even less healing!

there should be no reason to flash spam... two flashes and a circle of scorn and you have all the aggro you need. The reason people flash so much is because they don't switch targets when doing their threat rotation (well who would in this "let's pull the entire dungeon and AoE" meta) and are amazed that they lose aggro on mobs.

The only changes I want for pld are to lower the cooldowns of Bulwark and Tempered Will. Bulwark is on the same cd than Holmgang, it's ridiculous, lower it to 2min from 3. But the worst of the worst is still Tempered Will, 3min cd for almost the same effect has Surecast, wich is on a 30s cooldown...

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Originally Posted by Greil

Bulwark is on the same cd than Holmgang, it's ridiculous, lower it to 2min from 3. But the worst of the worst is still Tempered Will, 3min cd for almost the same effect has Surecast, wich is on a 30s cooldown...

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Bulwark CD seems kinda longish for what it does. My guess is, that it is not so much because of Bulwark itself, but because PLD already have very high assortment of defensive cooldowns. Lowering CD on any of them is.. tricky

As for Tempered Will, that is perhaps PvP consideration? Not sure, since I dont PvP.

Nah.. I say do something with that ultraboring "Flash" (was not refering to any comic characters just to be clear).

Yeah Divine Veil could use a little updating, since Shake it Off eclipses it in most aspects presently, I'm fine with the PLD not getting the shield (we do have a lot of defensive kit) but the two-tiered activation system needs to go at the very least.

Agreed Bulwark could use a CD reduction, it does have a strong effect but it only increases block rate by a percentage, so theoretically (admittedly unlikely) it could wind up doing absolutely nothing making it pretty unreliable outside of mob swarms, especially on multi hit tankbusters where it should be a good option.