sorry but your job sucks.....

I can definitely mesh with wanting to remove extraneous buttons, but in that case let's get rid of things like Freeze (or fix it to give aoe umbral hearts) and Sleep and make real skills instead of those useless ones.

true on blm freeze is near useless and only potentially useful if your healer and tank both die due to its bind.

sleep was useful before aoe thunder in low level dungeons as you could sleep the pack after bliz refresh while waiting on the tick this giving a 1-2 sec mitigation before the next aoe hit to wake them up allowing the healer to cast an extra aoe spell or get the heal of without worry. or again in emergency situations where the tank died. although i havnt tried it at all in stormblood due to just not needing to.

the same can be said for all jobs with some of the cross role skills given to us in stormblood. they could be so much better but unfortunately they are not. fixing these to be something useful could help towards the meta opening up a bit and allowing a bit more diversity.

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Originally Posted by chidarake

sleep was useful before aoe thunder in low level dungeons as you could sleep the pack after bliz refresh while waiting on the tick this giving a 1-2 sec mitigation before the next aoe hit to wake them up allowing the healer to cast an extra aoe spell or get the heal of without worry. or again in emergency situations where the tank died. although i havnt tried it at all in stormblood due to just not needing to.

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Everyone AoEs constantly, even in low-level dungeons, so Sleep has been basically useless for a very, very long time.

I'd rather see it removed than kept around purely on the off-chance that it might possibly save the day in a lowbie dungeon. Even when facing mobs that can be slept and able to use the time Sleep buys to recover, it's usually more efficient for the party just to take the wipe and start over from a shortcut that is probably a 10-20s sprint from where they died.

SE simply wants nothing to do with balancing crowd control effects. At this point we're lucky that they still allow us to stun trash mobs, even with sharply diminishing returns.

I use sleep to sleep the puddings before THEY cast sleep in the level 35 guildhest Long Live the Queen lol

If the spell also did something else like apply damage vuln or something then it would be more useful, but yes as it stands it's pretty much useless.

I kinda imagine a trait upgrading the sleep status to nightmare which has reduced duration but your target doesn't wakes up if hit and takes extra dmg

Why every BLM discussion meets meets Sleep AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa
The spell is not meant for raid or dungeons or any slithglty relevant content at level cap. Just leave it be as a neat MSQ and early map traveling tool.

It's barely even a tool for that now that there is Palace of the Dead and PVP leveling.

It's such a point of contention because they've preached about "button bloat" and yet Freeze and Sleep are still useless for 97 purposes out of 100.

Sleep is mostly useless but I found it helpful while walking around in some maps before flight. While sleeping a target to run away and keep doing MSQ affairs is nice, I agree on the skill bloat argument, but it should've been deleted though, not rewrked. It's there for the sake of being there nowadays. And that is not a problem that affects BLM directly. BLM has many other issues that can be brought to discussion. For example Freeze as you mentioned, and Blizzard II as well. Actual damaging spells that serve for no purpose. Well Freeze does fit a few niches that rarely happen outside dungeons and large trash pulls. Even on those pulls it doesn't always happen.

Since BLM is a job that purely relies on GCD to deal damage, it might not be easy to make all of them worth to be used, but I do hope the could have more uses. For a long time people been asking for Freeze to give UI3 for a better option to statch that status after a Transpose in aoe situations, recently the idea of it giving a single or more Umbral Hearts so it can interact with Flare surfaced.

Change Sleep into Curse oGCD
Curse: Increases magic vulnerability of target by 10% for 20 seconds, 180 CD
Foul gains the effect to reduce Curse's CD by 15 seconds, essentially making Curse a 90 second CD.

if trick attack would be a cross skill. who would pick ninja anymore, everyone will go samurai/monk+trick attack