Is this.... Midcore Stuff??

Nice fights. Have to figure out what happens, always is the best part. And no one dare asking to watch video or read guide, is the best of it all.

My tries there:
1st queue in df: enter a 48min started duty, to see it ended after 5s by a vote abandon;
2nd, 3rd: withdrawals by people and requeue
4th: duty fresh started, some wipes here and there, and completed with about 10min of time left. Got even a piece of 330 loot.

24-man raids should be challenging. I have no problem with them being slightly overtuned to be honest, it's purely selfish but I don't mind the SE tacitly telling everyone to improve a little. Vast majority of the mechanics have been seen before, just have different indicators (look away, don't stack, don't stand in this area, etc.). Anyone who can think beyond one step can see what to do on the last boss when they get the demon face too.

I'm in that awkward position where I can farm O3S comfortably but haven't cleared O4S... I was hoping for Dun Scaith levels of challenge for the 24-man in an ideal world. It takes a lot of wipes to clear on day one which is good for me. I don't mind wiping as long as the group improves on each attempt.

The new 24 man is completly fine as it is. People need to open their eyes and listen to what people explain and even if nothing gets explained it can be done without many wipes, if people open their eyes and use their brain.

Honestly feels easier than Weeping City/Dun Scaith.
But the mechanics are worse at conveying what needs to be done at a glance.
But to actually execute them, its easier.
The only exception is the last boss confusion, which imo was a great add, and still makes it a worthy 24 man raid.
(Still want to see EX/Savage level of difficulty in 24 man and 4 man content.)

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

24-man raids should be challenging. I have no problem with them being slightly overtuned to be honest, it's purely selfish but I don't mind the SE tacitly telling everyone to improve a little. Vast majority of the mechanics have been seen before, just have different indicators (look away, don't stack, don't stand in this area, etc.). Anyone who can think beyond one step can see what to do on the last boss when they get the demon face too.

I'm in that awkward position where I can farm O3S comfortably but haven't cleared O4S... I was hoping for Dun Scaith levels of challenge for the 24-man in an ideal world. It takes a lot of wipes to clear on day one which is good for me. I don't mind wiping as long as the group improves on each attempt.

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Mind you I don't think it's super challenging, but there is no reason for it to be really. There are 24 people. You want to make challenging 8 person content go for it, but with that many people it just takes a handful to fuck things up. That was the real issue with Ozma. ONE person could wipe the whole damn thing. That's shit right there.

Idk if its midcore. It felt very similar to previous 24 man content. But I def enjoyed it more. The difficulty is similar but its more mechanically difficult.

I df'd through it an we wiped and wiped but we beat it. And its so fun to feel the accomplishment to beat it when everyone goes is blind

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Most 24 content is like that on release day, wait and see how fast before people faceroll through it

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Done. I don't really play MMOs for a challenge. I do love the story though.

I did actually bring this up earlier that Crystal Tower was more challenging day 1.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

It's a bit overtuned. Our full party except tank kept dying on 3rd boss to his ultimate attack (with everyone HP topped) because we had two WHMs. Other two parties survived every time because SCH/AST shields. Devs should take these things into consideration.

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I had that happen too, other two parties had an ast + warriors so they had two sources of shield + collective, my party had two whms and a drk, no shield whatsoever, everyone but our tank died, other alliances survived easily.

Honestly, New 24 raid mechanic is really easy but i am not sure why people still stand ,eat aoes and die to the same machanic mechanic even after wipe so many time and have other people explain . This raid only hard for bad player , if you good at this game you can get pass it in few try each boss

Are you new to the game ?

It's just a normal day in a new 24-man raid you know.
Nothing to do with the difficulty itself.
It's new.