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I have never heard of or seen a resource that lists the changes. The best we have is garland tools or xivdb for conversations.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

If I read it right, Garlemald just didn't think Doma was worth much. It was on the fringes of the Empire; there are cities that they didn't even bother to conquer juuust beyond Doma, so Doma itself wasn't exactly a march or a fort or a prize. Judging by the scenes we saw, they took over the top tiers of government, instituted the basic civil order they expected, and then stuck Kaien back on top as a paper tiger for 25 years and left them to their fate. Looks like imperial academy students and cannon fodder conscripts were all they bothered with once they the territory under control. Until the rebellion, it wasn't a threat nor was it under threat. It just ... was.

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If Doma wasn't worth much, why was it conquered at all? I mean, the Xaela tribes of the Azim Steppe are, for want of a better term, less civilized; yet they are left alone, while Doma was crushed and put under the Imperial yoke. A less advanced civilization would probably be more likely to summon - this is, after all, why the Empire has a genocidal policy toward beast tribes. As noted when you get there, the exact reason the Empire hasn't conquered the Steppe is unknown - however there is clearly reason beyond stopping primals that goes into the decision to conquer.

Going by the Roman influence, it's probably just because whatever legatus conquered Doma thought it would heighten his or her political power. Either way, the point I'm getting at is that the treatment the Domans and Ala Mhigans got was not just to break them into Imperial service; it had been going on for 25 / 20 years. Got worse under Zenos, but we have nothing proving it was much (if any) better before him.

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Originally Posted by TogekissBough

Thank you for your input everyone.
Just to clarify though a resource/ or thread for changes of dialogue based on (points in time, race, class, quests completed) (Like I've seen some of estinien and alisae ones but nothing really else aside from the crafter ones having completed other crafter lines mentioning they exist) specifically doesn't exist and I just need to review dialogue in Garland tools? Or is there a dedicated resource to these changes of dialogue?

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You do have to comb through the dialogue for specific changes; fortunately, they are few and far between, and none really impact much (Yugiri mentioning your mad ninja skills by not wearing ninja garb when gathering information in Namai, f'ex. Yes, a ninja compliments you for not wearing an outfit that screams "I'm a ninja!").

... but no, there is no repository dedicated specifically to the differences in dialogue depending on various factors (job, race, Legacy player, etc).

Doma's worth was from its location. Control of Doma for the Garleans meant control of the Ruby Sea, however much the Confederacy (and probably Hingashi) would have liked to claim otherwise. One of the sidequest lines involves you setting up a trade deal with the East Aldenard Trading Company and the Confederacy, and the EATC representative asks for various items found only in the Ruby Sea which she couldn't get because the Garleans had placed embargoes on those items. Conversely, the Azim Steppe offered little gain in return for the effort necessary to subjugate the territory. The native peoples aren't centralised, have a warlike culture and as a whole aren't even really inclined to organised religion anyway. And, well, it's a steppe. Land's not worth much, a fire that gets out of control would sweep across the region, and farming's not really possible (presumably).

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Originally Posted by Cilia

If Doma wasn't worth much, why was it conquered at all?

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I suspect there's a lot we don't know about the war for the eastern theatre, and that the Empire just kept going until all known primal threats collapsed. Recall, for example, that Yugiri had heard tale of such beings but hadn't personally seen one; she was a one-year-old during the war and didn't leave her bubble (literally) until she saw the horrors wrought by the Empire. One potential indication: something made Susano a reality, and there are no indications that it was recent given that the Kojin believed he was already in the relics and seemed to have no idea what in the seventh hell was even happening. (I mean, all indications are that Kami are as unconfirmed as the Twelve and Susano is just a primal. I suspect it's the magatama's work at present.)

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

Doma's worth was from its location.

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This is also a gppd point; control of Doma closes a few defensive vulnerabilities.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Therefore, if people under his dominion were suffering, it was likely (in his mind) their own fault. I think, from his point of view, many Ala Mhigans would be clinging to the trappings of a civilization that had been too weak to stand - that had turned on and devoured itself at his whim. They held tight to worthless traditions, false gods, and unearned pride. If you're not willing to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, glorify the ivory standard, earn your citizenship, and do your part to bring honor and glory to your homeland and salvation to the world, what good were you for except keeping the Imperial machine running?

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What I would like to note here is that it kinda made sense with ala ghanna since there only industry was stone, which as stated garleans had no interest in, from gaius's perspective it makes sense that he would believe they should find a new way to survive, adapt to the changes and prove their worth.

It mirrors a situation seen within the real world, particularly here in the United Kingdom. Mining served as a very profitable - if dangerous - route for common folk to earn coin and stability. Over time, though, it became less profitable and many mines ended up being shut down all over the country. A controversial decision but one that happened quite a few years ago as of the present day. Despite the time that has passed, though, there's still people who are very sour about being unable to mine to earn a living. In certain areas which are fairly out of the way to begin with it served as the only real stable job around.

That is an interesting real life comparison actually! It is interesting to think about how the people lost their jobs due to modernization efforts. That being said, it's not necessarily a perfect one. The quarries were doing just fine and were very profitable back when they had trading efforts with the city states, who still used plenty of stone. And it's also directly mentioned in many places just how much havoc the Garleans wreaked on the Ala Mighan economy through their mass conscription and forced labor. Which always makes me wonder where all of those conscripted soldiers went off to...and whether or not they might come back.

I also like the examinations of Gaius in this thread as well. He's kind of a fun character in that he's a true believer in the Garlean ethos, to the point of blind faith in it.

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Originally Posted by CaesarCV

I also like the examinations of Gaius in this thread as well. He's kind of a fun character in that he's a true believer in the Garlean ethos, to the point of blind faith in it.

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We've pretty much seen two types of garlean, the kind that abuse their power for their own ends (Nael and Zenos) and the kind that try to use it to unify the world under imperial ideals for better or worse (Gaius and Regula). It'll be interesting to see which we get more of, my bet is on the former. I'd like to see more from those who live on the lower ranks of society, garlean and those who were annexed. I'd be interesting to see what lower ranked purebloods think though, just your common Bas and above.

I'd definitely like to see the leaders of 10th and 4th legion and how they would be represented (whether 10 would be Jehct figure or yu yevon).
Completely off topic, how was Zenos representative of FFXII. I remember Vayne being manipulated by those 'god things' (only remember certain things from 12), but Zenos wasn't manipulated unless the allusion was meant to be how Vayne absorb the god thing like zenos did with shinryu??? Is that the only allusion to 12.

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Originally Posted by TogekissBough

I'd definitely like to see the leaders of 10th and 4th legion and how they would be represented..
Completely off topic, how was Zenos representative of FFXII. I remember Vayne being manipulated by those 'god things' (only remember certain things from 12), but Zenos wasn't manipulated unless the allusion was meant to be how Vayne absorb the god thing like zenos did with shinryu??? Is that the only allusion to 12.

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I'm looking forward to seeing the next legions too! It's fun how they're based off of a different Final Fantasy game each time. Although, Zenos does have a larger relation to Zayne than simply having to do with the gods. Both of them are sociopathic characters that cannot interact with humanity in a normal way. They are both noted as, in their own weird way, exceedingly lonely and looking for someone to understand them. And both do sort of fuse with god beings at the end of their respective games, albeit in very different ways.