I hate that BRD is so dependent on DRGs Buffs/Debuff

Honestly, if you're playing bard to exclusively deal DPS, you're not playing bard for the right reasons. Yes, a piercing damage debuff is a nice little boon to have, but we don't need it; rather, we are there to provide that constant 2% crit, that 10% DH cooldown, that raid-wide defensive cooldown, Nature's Minne, raid-wide TP and MP refreshes, etc. We are a support DPS, and we are there to boost the raid's damage by increasing DD's damage and minimizing healing time. On top of the damage we deal of course.

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Originally Posted by Neela

So actually you are upset about your own choice playing a support dd cls which makes less dmg than a raw dd class?... Brd is absolut fine in personal dps if you consider their tons of grp utility. : /

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That's not the issue, it's the the fact it's a specific tethering of the classes.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

Honestly, if you're playing bard to exclusively deal DPS, you're not playing bard for the right reasons. Yes, a piercing damage debuff is a nice little boon to have, but we don't need it; rather, we are there to provide that constant 2% crit, that 10% DH cooldown, that raid-wide defensive cooldown, Nature's Minne, raid-wide TP and MP refreshes, etc. We are a support DPS, and we are there to boost the raid's damage by increasing DD's damage and minimizing healing time. On top of the damage we deal of course.

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well said indeed ^^

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Originally Posted by Neela

its dumb to say that someone else is the reason for your personal dps amount

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Not entirely. Especially when you consider the current fad over everyone requiring or using fflogs before you can even join there raid group.

It\\'s actually very accurate to say other people are the reason for your personal dps amount.

If your dps is 4k then you.might for example find yourself at the 50th percentile.

If you had a ninja then trick attack adds 1.5% to your dps. If you had an ast. Balance might add 2.5% to your dps. (Based on 25% uptime. Dunno how accurate that is I don\\'t have an ast levelled or even unlocked)

So just those 2 things could be an extra 160 dps. And that might put you in the 60th percentile instead of the 50th.

Add a brds permanent crit buff and direct hit buffs and it\\'s defence thing along with a dragoons battle litany and you might find your 4k dps is now getting on towards 4.5k and now going above the 80th percentile.

The other people in your party can have a very significant impact on your personal dps. This is why things like fflogs are so inaccurate and I\\'ve hid myself and just don\\'t use them

It's come to the point where I feel like the resistance debuffs are better off removed entirely from every job.

The slashing and piercing debuffs have continuously been points of contention in every single expansion, and it's come to the point where they're actually more trouble than they're worth. Especially now that every job that has access to it, actually applies it automatically just by doing their max dps rotation.

MNK is the only job that still goes out of its way just to apply their debuff. But I feel like theirs might as well be removed as well, because eventually we're going to find ourselves in a similar situation, anyway.

If people are concerned about their utility being stripped and their jobs diminished, there are other ways to provide utility that aren't nearly as problematic as the physical resistance debuffs.

In any case, I'd rather have a utility ability that needs proper timing to execute rather than utility that automatically renews itself without any interaction required from myself.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Not entirely. Especially when you consider the current fad over everyone requiring or using fflogs before you can even join there raid group.

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yeah thats the curse ever since - its our fault that classes are locked out of raid grps not SEs.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

This is why things like fflogs are so inaccurate and I\\'ve hid myself and just don\\'t use them

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yeah more people should give a fuck about fflogs/meta and like just 10% of the com uses forums even less will upload data on fflogs (and mostly just their best runs if at all) so fflogs statistics are totally inaccurate. im with ya on this point.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Not entirely. Especially when you consider the current fad over everyone requiring or using fflogs before you can even join there raid group.

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People using fflogs to decide if you're good enough to join their party generally know how party comp affects your dps, so it's not a very powerful argument.

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Originally Posted by Neela

So actually you are upset about your own choice playing a support dd cls which makes less dmg than a raw dd class?... Brd is absolut fine in personal dps if you consider their tons of grp utility. : /

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I don't think that's what the OP is saying, though I could be wrong. As it stands, BRD/MCH are the only two physical DPS roles that do not apply their own damage debuff to increase their DPS-- SAM/NIN both have skills to apply slashing, MNK has Dragon Kick to apply blunt, DRG applies piercing. BRD/MCH have no such debuff, and if the developers are keen to keep the resistance debuffs in the game, then it would be nice to give BRD/MCH a way to apply the piercing debuff to mobs so that they can maximize their own damage.

While the reason behind playing a BRD is not "pure damage" and rather "party support," it does still kind of suck that BRD/MCH have to remain reliant on a DRG to apply a very basic damage debuff.

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Originally Posted by Hakuohsama

Well but no one is raiding with double Casters. But over 50% raid with DRG as a melee DPS.
Thats a huge difference.

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But then i think you have to ask to improve an overall class balance to make everything viable and interchangeable, not to make something that's already meta to be even more overpowered.

My Point is that a DRG effect your total dmg out put by 5% which is actually alot witht he current Numbers.
And that only DRG can provide this debuff while other classes besides Monk use there Slash resistance which multiple calsses apply.
If you had at least 2 classes with a piercing debuff this wouldnt be that big of a problem.
Imagine everyone wouldnt have the 10% slashing debuff which would hurt alot of classes.