Any other palis have this issue

Nothing wrong with saving yourself. Healers can screw up too. Clemency is powerful and it can save the day in an emergency. That being said, you should always give your healers a chance and not just assume right off the bat that they suck. Talk to people, ask them what the plan is. Ask them if you should use clemency often.

Putting out good damage has to do with factoring in as many things as possible to manipulate your simple rotation around the mechanics and the party. Your healer is a factor to consider, and if you need to heal yourself do it, but keep in mind most tanks go through the entire raid without ever hitting Clemency without dying (and some die without hitting it when it could have saved their life).

I've never heard of a PLD (I'm a PLD btw) getting crap for not using Clemency. If you get yelled at for dying then either you didn't buff, you stood in something you shouldn't have, or they're out to blame someone. That last reason is not a reasonable excuse to nerf yourself, imo

Trust your healers until they give you a reason not to. If a properly mitigated tank buster leaves you at 25%, dying after means the healer messed up, not you. Most healers want to keep you alive even more than you want to keep you alive, because they are usually the first recipients of flack when the tank dies. If the healer messes up, clemency next time, but showing someone that you don't trust them to do their job before they've had a chance to do it is a recipe for conflict.

Also take the phrase "It wasn't my fault" from your vocabulary and replace it with "Was there anything else I could have done?". If the answer is yes, you know what to do next time. If it's no, you've done your job, let other people figure out theirs. If it's I don't know, ask google for help. Self-pity is poison to improvement, repellent to some that may have tried to help, and will hold you back more than anything another player could ever say.

I tend to use clemency when a healer or both healers die. You can save yourself from a wipe by having a RDM raise the healers while a PLD OT keeps the MT topped off.

The only times you should Clemency is if healers are down or if someone could die from a hit(esp healer) and both healers are busy/dead. Optimally you should not be using it at all as every Clemency used is a lost Holy Spirit, as well as the gcd cost and interruption of combos.

Can you play your job unoptimally? Yes, you can, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend that. Bad habits die hard and all.

It is the healers' job to heal. By spending several GCDs healing yourself you are giving a direct vote of distrust towards your healers for doing their basic job. Also in case of Charybdis+Roar; even if you survive the mechanic due to healing yourself, other people are likely to die due to there not being enough healing, and it's very likely the healers as well. So you can just honestly refrain from doing Clemencies with aoe follow-up mechanics and instead make sure you are in range for heals (cure III especially).

Using a Clemency to save yourself when the healers are dead/struggling. Yeah that's reasonable.

The only time I ever clemency is when I'm off tanking and need a heal to pop Divine Veil. Other than that, I'm in dps mode all the way.

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

Can you play your job unoptimally? Yes, you can, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend that. Bad habits die hard and all.

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In v1s its a time when things are winding down that, he will do a twin bolts right after now I been poping hg , was doing clemency. Its just wit the nature of pugs knowing that a wipe or two equals disband it just doesnt seem like you have the luxury to just put all your trust in a healer.

Its tons of times where its helped me where the healer just wasnt ready for the attack, on twin bolts, in laksami extreme when the first set it vril comes out she does pull of light if you are standing on the vril line and get hit by pull of light at the same time you can consider yourself dead.

In susano not being toped off for storm spliter and not having the best cool downs available atm will kill you, its just really harder to put that trust in people I dont know especially with how the pf is, one wipe can just lead to a disband and regroup. So sometimes it almost seems worth it to trust yourself more than the healer but Im tryin to get better at it.