The Last SCH Problem: Dissipation

I will say I agree that Dissipation is a large problem for the SCH now. They do need to rework it overall. However, I don't agree that it is the "Last" problem.

I still believe they need to revisit our shields and physick spell.

Why doesn't Physick have a added effect like all other healers first "cure" spell? Reduce Adlo cost? Promise crit? Something is better than nothing. There are still times you are just spamming that heal due to having no choice (Cost).

Shields are the "core" of the SCH. As the white mage is full blown heals and really good at it. AST with the "Stars" shown by using cards. Well, our fairy has a ton of issues but that is just due to what I believe is SE not wanting to mess with them.SCH are known for our shields.. Adlo cost too much and is only even worth it with a crit.

I like what they did with 4.05, some were needed some we not. Just hope they work on the core of the class and do all these other changes around that core. Not the other way around.

Disspation needs to change.
Heals need to change.
Why sch have the worst heals with the highest costs? Succor is a piece of garbage now, needs a potency buff asap.
Adlo cost way too much.
Miasma 2 is a joke, they buffed that old annoying melee garbage so people would shut up, because the vast majority is annoyed about their aoe dps in stupid 4 man dungeons.
Fay union is still another garbage that takes literally 30 years to activate, if the targets run away the fairy wont use gauge but will sit there doing nothing AND the potency is just so tiny its not worth the trouble.
All excog needed was to heal when it runs out of time also. Using an aetherflow stack and not procing is quite annoying.
SE missed the point completely with these changes.

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Originally Posted by Azell

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While I generally agree that some of the buffs were questionable, and should have been used elsewhere, you're being a little extreme. Excogitation is very powerful now, I believe the highest potency non percentage based heal, and worth using if you actually plan it out properly. Miasma II is anything but a joke, it's a very powerful AoE and even as ST it can be used over Ruin II if you need to move and are in melee range, and weaved with Energy Drain to give more DPS. The Adlo/Succor costs are actually justified now that we've received such a major buff to the Aetherflow trait.

They do still need to rework some of the abilities/Selene, mainly Dissipation, but that's not something we should have expected on the release day of savage, maybe 4.1. The fact that they went beyond potency changes and gave us an ability back is more than generous.

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Originally Posted by Azell

Disspation needs to change.
Heals need to change.
Why sch have the worst heals with the highest costs? Succor is a piece of garbage now, needs a potency buff asap.
Adlo cost way too much.
Miasma 2 is a joke, they buffed that old annoying melee garbage so people would shut up, because the vast majority is annoyed about their aoe dps in stupid 4 man dungeons.
Fay union is still another garbage that takes literally 30 years to activate, if the targets run away the fairy wont use gauge but will sit there doing nothing AND the potency is just so tiny its not worth the trouble.
All excog needed was to heal when it runs out of time also. Using an aetherflow stack and not procing is quite annoying.
SE missed the point completely with these changes.

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Honestly the only thing I agree with is Dissipation needing a change, and as everyone has said, making it so it would make Summon or Summon II instant and MP-free would be perfection.


Everything else you said is highly questionable.

SCH has such high MP costs because 60 to 70% of our potential HPS is literally completely free. Even more so now with Fey Union. Also, the new Aetherflow trait makes it so SCH can potentially ignore Lucid Dreaming if they're feeling ballsy. I personally wouldn't, but my playstyle is now very MP intensive. This doesn't mean MP is a problem for me, however. Specially not now with QA. Adlo and Succor could use a slight MP cost reduction, but I no longer think it's absolutely necessary or that it is too detrimental to the job. If anything, it cements its designed weaknesses further, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Fairy AI is clunky? Yes, it is, but this never stopped the job from having a guaranteed spot throughout all of HW, and it won't drag it down now. A good SCH will always find a way around pet AI after all.

Even without the Fey Union DH bug, it's actually strong enough to be the only healing source you need going out during a double trash pull. A triple trash pull might need you to use WD before going for Union, but the ticks are pretty strong. It won't keep the tank topped off, but the steady healing is enough to let you fully DPS through an entire pull if you build the gauge enough. The gauge drop-off rate is also super slow, and Quickened Aetherflow makes it so it charges much faster. I agree it takes a very long time to activate, though, but again, see my point Fairy AI.

Whenever Excog doesn't proc for me, it means I used it wrong. Learn to know when each part of your kit is the better option. An 800 potency heal isn't something that you should be able to throw around freely, specially not on a 45s CD and with another 600 potency option on a 1s CD. This is like throwing out Indomitability when you could have safely used Whispering Dawn instead. Waste of situational resources is the player's fault, not the tool's.

Miasma II is a close second to Holy for "strongest healer aoe DPS spell." Gravity is hot trash in comparison to both. If anything, Miasma II's range is its only weakness. Everything else about it is superior to its counterparts: more damage, less MP, instant (and shorter cast time compared to 3s for the others), more versatility due to its DoT, no damage scaling, and even good single target uses thanks to Energy Drain. I only put it second to Holy because the stun Holy brings is a massive form of mitigation in trash.

Please don't take this as an attack or anything. I don't want to dismiss your opinion completely, but I think the SCH complains, particularly the ones you posted, are an overexaggeration. The job is actually on a rather comfortable spot right now.

My only true gripes with SCH right now are that Dissipation remains unchanged and that Selene is still literally just Fey Wind pre-pull, but these problems were very present in HW. Kind of a shame they're still not quite there.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Honestly the only thing I agree with is Dissipation needing a change, and as everyone has said, making it so it would make Summon or Summon II instant and MP-free would be perfection.

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My only true gripes with SCH right now are that Dissipation remains unchanged and that Selene is still literally just Fey Wind pre-pull, but these problems were very present in HW. Kind of a shame they're still not quite there.

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I honestly don't think Dissipation needs that buff anymore. The new version of Quickened Aetherflow meaning that Dissipation lets you bring Aetherflow's CD down to 30 seconds is huge. I've been doing this as my opener:

Precast Broil II
Bio II > Shadowflare > Energy drain
Miasma
Miasma II > Chain Stratagem > Energy Drain
Broil II > Energy Drain > Aetherflow
Broil II > Energy Drain
Broil II > Energy Drain
Miasma II > Energy Drain > Dissipation
Broil II > Energy Drain
Broil II > Energy Drain
Miasma> Energy Drain
Bio II > Aetherflow

(DoT reapplications are based on GCD being 3 seconds because I'm too tired to work out what the actual timings are and most of those are clipping because of the Broil II anyway. It gets the idea across.)

Replace DPS spells with heals as needed obviously, but it seriously allows you to use an Aetherflow ability nearly every GCD for pretty much the first 30 seconds of the fight. That is a lot of extra potency or potential healing in that time, and you can do this every 3 minutes when Dissipation is available.

The only two changes I would make to SCH at this point are allowing Aetherflow stacks spent under the effect of Dissipation to fill the Fairy Gauge, or reducing Fey Union's cost-per-tick from 10 to 5. And honestly probably not even both, just one of the two. (Well, only changes other than fixing the pet AI and Selene, I mean.)

My problem is we have a bunch of abilities that fight against each other summons, dissipate, and fey union.

None of them seem to work together but instead oppose eachother. Making changes so they mesh better would go along way to just how the job feels.

Dissipate and fey union deactivate summon
Dissipate makes aether stacks not work toward fey union
Fey union locks you out of dissipate.

It's a lot of contradictions. Having fairy come back after dissipate or better yet have dissipate be like fey union where instead she channels you with power doing all its current effects, so she doesn't go anywhere and it could even use the fairy guage to activate would go a long way to making it mesh together better.

I'm going to expand on my above thought.

Imagine dissipation with a new name that works off the fairy guage.

When activated the fairy plants and starts to channel the scholar similar to fey union. When the scholar is being channeled the fairy gauge depletes and the scholar is given the current bonus to healing that dissipation gives as well as aether stacks at some rate of stack per time.

It would still lock fairy to us, but leave her on field, so no worry desummon. Give the fairy gauge more than one use, give dissipation a little more versatility because you could use it for a short duration for a boost.

Agree that dissipation should be reworked into a skill that also uses the fae gauge. Channeling to the sch keeping it's effects is a good suggestion. Having it cost gauge though does lower the frequncy of union though so perhaps a slight buff it like dmg received -5% Bonus points if new dissipation and fae union did something different with Selene out.

I think they should just get rid of dissipation and make a move that resets your fairies cooldowns, this would be very helpful.

And/or perhaps make it so that when you use it, it instantly swaps your summoned fairy with no mp cost, cast time and without resetting the fairy gauge.

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SCH has such high MP costs because 60 to 70% of our potential HPS is literally completely free.

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Simply no. All of our oGCD heals are gated behind Aetherflow stacks. Every Aetherflow stack that you don't use on Energy Drain can be considered to cost you 1200 MP.