ELI5 What is wrong with SMN?

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Originally Posted by Tsukaasa

pff, do you really think taking a smn is preventing to do savage content ? Or any ex ?

This is so stupid to think like that, if you can master your job, whatever the content it'll be fine.

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It's specifically people with this type of chip on their shoulder that hurts classes way more than SE does. If they believe that a class is lowest on the damage ring, they won't even give them a time of day.

I see the later comment saying that they couldn't beat O1S with a summoner in their group. My thoughts are, maybe you couldn't beat them with *that* summoner. I just cannot believe that it is impossible for a group to beat every dungeon/trial/raid in this game while playing their preferred classes...and doing well with them, even if that class happens to be a SMN.

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Originally Posted by Tsukaasa

Well i beat O1s with my group too and i went there as smn, we were far from the enrage.

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Me as well... than its maybe peoples skill-level which is bad not the cls itself.
700 dps difference to ALL others is to much to just point on the cls design as reason.

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Originally Posted by AsbelLahnt

It's specifically people with this type of chip on their shoulder that hurts classes way more than SE does. If they believe that a class is lowest on the damage ring, they won't even give them a time of day.

I see the later comment saying that they couldn't beat O1S with a summoner in their group. My thoughts are, maybe you couldn't beat them with *that* summoner. I just cannot believe that it is impossible for a group to beat every dungeon/trial/raid in this game while playing their preferred classes...and doing well with them, even if that class happens to be a SMN.

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Proven fact summoner is the lowest dps -tied with Machinist.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...036&dataset=60

SE hurts Summoner more then anything else. You think if Summoner was near red mage people would complain?

I was a summoner when I cleared a12 savage. Trust me, I want summoner to be good more then anyone else. And it's not.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...gregate=amount

To account for patch 4.05, limit it to a week and you have SMN hovering around bottom 4 regardless of endgame encounter above the 50th percentile