PF's exclude SCH made by other Healers

It is so sad now that see how SE effort to 'balance' job turn out to be a discrimination in game.

Now it's hard to be in the end game party with SCH. I even leveled up my AST to make me relevant again in end game party.

C'mon SE. What have you done with SCH?

WHM has been excluded from literally every Zurvan EX party, among others, ever. I never did that fight as a result. WHMs have been excluded from static searches ever since AST got overbuffed, and want severely declined after AST was brought to par before that last round of unjust buffs that pushed them so much higher above the others, where they STILL are. And they never had any problems healing anything.

I see many, many lfm static recruitments explicitely excluding WHM in 4.0 already, and I doubt a party searching for 'AST and SCH', or 'we have AST and want a SCH' is only excluding WHM because they already have one when they clearly state it's different. Yes, it started already, and it will only get worse with the incomming, confirmed SCH buffs.

Really funny how WHM is always told it's fine... with a bleeding hole in its chest. But when one of the others gets a little scratch, it is as if the world is ending.

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Originally Posted by xNewbx

Just yesterday I saw a group only accepting AST/SCH. In fact, I've never seen a PF wanting WHM over SCH. Nice to hear about it for a change.

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Me, neither.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

WHM has been excluded from literally every Zurvan EX party, among others, ever.

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Im also from Shiva / Chaos Data Center. Never had issues joining with WHM or SCH. You are just blatantly overexaggerating. And since 4.0 i even see it pretty rarely to never...

Oh yea im sitting on 99 Susano and 69 Lakshmi Totems, so im doing enough PF's to say that~

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Originally Posted by Amaret

Im also from Shiva / Chaos Data Center. Never had issues joining with WHM or SCH. You are just blatantly overexaggerating. And since 4.0 i even see it pretty rarely to never...

Oh yea im sitting on 99 Susano and 69 Lakshmi Totems, so im doing enough PF's to say that~

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I don't know what times you are online, but the times I am online, I've rarely to nether seen a PF that didn't exclude WHM, so no, I'm not 'overexaggerating' (is that even a real word? Only know exaggerating). Except maybe those made by WHM... which again excluded WHM. And before you ask, I'm not only at some exotic time like late night, either, but at what is prime time on EU servers. Maybe you ment you never had trouble joining as SCH? Because rarely has the job been excluded from anything in the past.
I also didn't say I'm being constantly excluded from Susano or Lakshmi, though it is there at times so not only SCH 'struggle' with that. But following meta discussions and lfm threads on several Discords, the trend towards AST/SCH is already there and it's extremely concerning especially considering SCH will also be buffed soon.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

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While I cannot attest to the actions of those in party finder, I have never noticed any with-holdings of White Mages from the Party Finders on my server. Sorry to hear you're having such issues, come to Behemoth, there's plenty of spots for you.

Ah I didn't mean to stress anyone out. In my experience from Primal Servers, WHM is pretty much a strong desired class. I'm sorry for the bad experiences on your server Yuyu. But Sch is very undesired here. But with the buffs coming maybe PF will encourage people to consider SCH more o/

I've noticed a mammoth amount of White Mage/Astro groups going on my server. I raid with that combo myself, which is perfect, because I prefer Nocturnal Sect. I'm interested to see how it changes after the patch.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

WHM has been excluded from literally every Zurvan EX party, among others, ever. I never did that fight as a result. WHMs have been excluded from static searches ever since AST got overbuffed, and want severely declined after AST was brought to par before that last round of unjust buffs that pushed them so much higher above the others, where they STILL are. And they never had any problems healing anything.

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This behavior isn't related to whether a job is balanced, but whether a job is believed to be good or not. Once people start meme'ing on a job, the devs need to overbuff it (or ridiculously nerf the competitor) so it's acceptable again, which just results in another job becoming a meme.

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Originally Posted by Vulcwen

This behavior isn't related to whether a job is balanced, but whether a job is believed to be good or not. Once people start meme'ing on a job, the devs need to overbuff it (or ridiculously nerf the competitor) so it's acceptable again, which just results in another job becoming a meme.

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Most valid thing I've read on the forums to-date.

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Originally Posted by Vulcwen

This behavior isn't related to whether a job is balanced, but whether a job is believed to be good or not. Once people start meme'ing on a job, the devs need to overbuff it (or ridiculously nerf the competitor) so it's acceptable again, which just results in another job becoming a meme.

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And why do you tell me this? It got nothing to do with what I said, WHM didn't get overbuffed, either, (and neither should it be) so? I also understand the concept of believing something is a certain way, but that is also directly related to how good it is, too. And knowing and understanding this doesn't help me at all if others don't, so it's somewhat moot.