this is what I do know. As a healer I always know right away when a tank is wearing STR accessories because it feels like I am healing a dragoon rather than a tank
It gets pretty annoying spamming cure 2 because his/her HP pool drops 90% every .4 seconds (it seems). It's pretty crazy. (the luxury of cure 1, lotus management, asylum, assize is pretty much in chaos at this point)
When I dungeon with a tank with actual tank gear, I can better heal them and DPS on the side with manna to spare. With a STR tank, my manna is destroyed and and im barely keeping them alive by the seat of my pants
Now, the good news is, I'm seeing tanks coming to their senses now in the 70 dungeons. The differences between the two tanks are like night and day. I am personally glad many tanks are going back to the tank set up
I also noticed, tanks who are in actual tank gear, we drop the mobs faster because I am part of the DPS team too. Pop spell length cool down, thin air?, and spam the hell out of holy...a whm can out dps any tank with STR any day. We can wipe the board with the two other dps when a tank is a tank. (and the most health the tank will ever lose with me during this entire process is probably 25-30% MAX).
I take my healer job seriously lol. I'll never make them worry about their healthbar (as long as they are appropriately geared)
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07-07-2017, 12:58 PMAnnah
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07-07-2017, 01:00 PMRyuujinZEROStrictly speaking their HP is dropping no faster than their heavily VIT'd counterpart, they just have a smaller HP bar, which makes it seem more alarming (Assuming their HP bar is at least big enough that you are not over-healing them).Quote:
Originally Posted by Annah
If the same tank had more VIT, you'd have to spam just as many spells to prevent them from dying, you'd just have a bigger window between them taking the first hit, and them dying. -
07-07-2017, 01:03 PMCoatlI don't really wear STR accessories in a dungeon. I don't really see the point besides if you want your healer to grow a few grey hairs. A lot of bosses however you wouldn't really notice if the tank was wearing STR or VIT, as they deal very little tank damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annah
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07-07-2017, 01:05 PMAnnahoh i absolutely notice when a tank has STR. Trust me. 100% of all the tanks I examine when I feel like Im healing a glass cannon ALWAYS had STR accessories onQuote:
Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO
The tanks that dont drop like a rock in a pond always have normal accessories for their class on. And we always DPS and clear so much faster too (per my reasoning above). I'm just personally happy they made it so tanks cant wear it past the further levels. -
07-07-2017, 01:07 PMAnnahand the healers love you for it lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Coatl
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07-07-2017, 01:08 PMADVSS
"I do not understand how self healing or enmity generation works in this game. Why cant tanks just deal 0 damage and every hit increases their vitality? That way healers will feel like they have to heal every second, despite me having 5trillion max hp over time. Why cant this be a thing? Get used to it tanks, you will never get past level 60 again. If you wanted to clear an instance that requires damage to be dealt -Role- a DPS"
"Also I have no recollection of how many times enmity generation buff bandaid will have to be put on tanks, as Ive not had to tank the patch notes since it is irrelevant to my VIT stat and tanking in VIT. Clearly the calculations are and have been perfect and never once, except just yesterday, have they ever had to boost tank enmity because its perfectly fine as is"
"Vitality is real good, its best for tanks. Especially when your HP max is 50trillion. A simple benediction and you good to go"
"what you mean all healers dont have benediction? They do SO" -
07-07-2017, 01:09 PMAgrios
I just hit 70 but made sure to buy the "BiS" STR right side items when I read that "good" tanks needed to use them. With that said, I have a VIT set up and a STR set up and I try to ask the heals what they prefer. I tend to adapt and enjoy playing as a bulwark and a stabby tank all the same. I find that I VIT for most pugs but STR it up when I'm with FC healers who can hack it. I'm alright with either or. /shrug
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07-07-2017, 01:13 PMRyuujinZEROI'm not saying you wouldn't notice, like I said, it feels alarming because their bar goes down faster, because the bar is a measurement in percent, not absolute HP. What I'm saying is the amount of HP they are losing from one moment to the next is identical to their better VIT'd bretheren.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annah
Provided they don't have so little HP that they die too fast for the healer to finish casting, so little HP that the heals they do get are over-healing and being wasted, or so little HP they can't survive a mechanic or tank buster without a margin of safety, they require no more healing than the next tank.
(Incidentally the difference between full STR, and full VIT accessories is about 25% HP - at iLvl290, ~30k Vs 40k HP, so while noticeable they should not feel like healing a glass cannon) -
07-07-2017, 01:18 PMHioki
True story. STR Tanking is a thing again. It's dumb, but it's a thing again until SE provides a fix. Until then, make proper use of CD's and swap pieces as necessary if your df healer is undergeared/skilled.
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07-07-2017, 01:19 PMAnnahwhen a tank buster brings them down to 5% health rather than 45% health no amount of calculations will tell me STR is better. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO
As a white mage, i can tell a remarkable improvement with tanks who wear tank gear. And I can definitely tell when a tank is a "i want to really be a dps person" because their health drops faster than the 1929 Stock Market
By your defending this..I assume you wear STR accessories? I mean you can certainly do what you want but i'm telling ya, your healers were probably stressing out quite often