Is there no way of doing this without a ARC?
Yet another King Moogle Strategy Guide. (Doctor Mog & DoW)
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12-20-2011, 07:10 AMZenaku
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12-20-2011, 07:39 AMR0ssdaddy
Where does the Def Down debuff come from?
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12-20-2011, 08:05 AMWednesdayEve
Riot Blade when executed from behind
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12-20-2011, 11:09 AMcarraway
You can certainly do the fight without ARCs, but ARCs' combos rely on distance, not direction, which is far easier to control. All physical DPS classes' damage ceilings are theoretically in the same general neighborhood, but it's easier to back up/move in than it is to find the moogles' butts/faces/sides. Melee-range DPS will also take more damage during the fight while killing the BLM and MRD moogles.
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12-20-2011, 11:10 AMRentahamsterGLA is weak to magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFatHousecat
Sanguine Rite on THM has an additional damage reduction attribute. -
12-20-2011, 05:05 PMVeridianAs far as I have seen, no way. No videos, no proof. Ever tried to combo with melee while there are like 3-4 archers ping ponging hate (don't forget the healers)? Incorporate some latency and it's frustrating as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
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12-21-2011, 03:59 AMReq
So, has anyone tried a 2 tank strategy that involves not killing the Black mage first? I know the moogles kind of do whatever the hell they want, but for the most part the black mage is relatively harmless if you know how to handle it compared to some of the other moogles. Burst has like a 5+ second charge up and you can walk away from it about as easily as you can run through batraals laser. Killing it gives that ability to the king right? And the king is alot more dangerous with said ability because the king does whatever the hell it wants most of the time and is fairly difficult to keep hate on. From my experience the black mage never moves more than a few feet away from the person it has hate on.
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12-22-2011, 02:57 PMFated
I was under the impression that the King can use Pom Flare from the start, does killing the BLM give him that ability? If that's true, it makes no sense to kill the BLM first, because as you said, the King is far more dangerous with it.
Anyway, I also don't see any way to do this without at least 2 competent Archers. Having more competent Archers just makes it easier. Thus most groups just bandwagon the same setup. This is the same issue that has been going on since 1.18... it's getting tiring. -
12-22-2011, 03:16 PMNoctisUmbraThe fight is accessible by any class at the moment. It's not a matter of DPS - all of the damage dealers are balanced now more than they ever were when it comes to their damage ceilings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fated
It's simply that due to the freedom of movement an ARC has, and no positioning requirements on their combos, they are easier to use for this fight. LNC, MRD and PGL can put out at least the same amount of damage but they require lots of positioning, which is tough for a lot of players to get the hang of right away and the Moogles calling each other for help back and forth make them difficult to maneuver around.
This is not like Batraal, or Ifrit, which had very clear disadvantages to any class besides ARC and LNC respectively. A lot of the reason for stacking was also due to ARC being clearly over powered in terms of DPS during 1.18, and LNC being over powered as such during 1.19. Balance has been found as far as DPS goes.
The community, however, will always look for the path of least resistance to effectively clear content and farm rewards. -
12-22-2011, 07:03 PMGreyJorildyn
You can avoid the king spamming moogle-go-round by killing it before the mrd. That's what we do and it goes really smooth.
As for the archer thing... Our first kill had 2 mrd in pt and we did just fine.