Thinking of starting tanking, need advice.

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Originally Posted by Venjenz

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Torn between sword and small sword and shield! Guess ill have to look at their abilities, thanks!

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Originally Posted by Chronons

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Thanks for the info!

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

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Im torn between PLD and DRK. I like the idea of both but I think Im leaning more towards DRK as I think the class story will be more interesting, although the PLD abilities seem cool too. Such a hard choice! Thanks for the reply.

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Originally Posted by Chronons

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Thanks for the info.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

Would be awesome of BB combo became a TP generator.

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For PLD and DRK, it is the first combo button, not second, so it should really be on Skull Sunder. It's the one ting that has always bugged me about the job, and no idea why SE has let it go so long.

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Originally Posted by Venjenz

The thing that "bugs" me about Overpower is that it uses TP, and our only TP generator (other than time) regens a whopping 200 TP every minute, in DPS stance. PLD and DRK both have their AoE threat tool as a spell, and both have MP regen tied to one or more combo attacks, giving them essentially unlimited AoE aggro generating capability in either stance, where a WAR must manage resources and stances much closer.

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Warriors have Steel Cyclone. That's arguably the best AoE enmity generator in the whole game! In fact, it's BECAUSE you have Steel Cyclone, that you don't have to blow ALL your TP into generating agro.

If you're running out of TP as a Warrior, you're doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Venjenz

For PLD and DRK, it is the first combo button, not second, so it should really be on Skull Sunder. It's the one ting that has always bugged me about the job, and no idea why SE has let it go so long.

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I guess because even now I think it's weird that a combo that requires TP to execute refunds TP.

Maybe a much more realistic expectation would be to have Overpower have a Combo Action off Skull Sunder to cost half TP (similar to how DRG Ring of Thorns used to cost half TP if used as a Combo Action from Power Surge.)

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Warriors have Steel Cyclone. That's arguably the best AoE enmity generator in the whole game! In fact, it's BECAUSE you have Steel Cyclone, that you don't have to blow ALL your TP into generating agro.

If you're running out of TP as a Warrior, you're doing something wrong.

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I'm glad that all your groups wait for you to finish 2 full combo rotation before they go all out on your spawns. People I meet are not that patient. A single Steel Cyclone is awesome, if you already have the BG, but with the amount of damage DPS are doing, it's not enough and you are likely to have agro taken away from you before you finish a second round, forcing you to throw quite a few Overpowers, or tomahawks all over the place.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Warriors have Steel Cyclone. That's arguably the best AoE enmity generator in the whole game! In fact, it's BECAUSE you have Steel Cyclone, that you don't have to blow ALL your TP into generating agro.

If you're running out of TP as a Warrior, you're doing something wrong.

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I don't run out of TP, and I do use Steel Cyclone...often. But our AE aggro generation requires closer management than PLD and DRK because they have their MP regen tied to a 1st combo button attack. I rarely run low on TP, but longer fights (dragon trash between 2nd and 3rd boss of Sohm Al is a good example) do stretch the budget. And I didn't say we cannot AE, I said "WAR must manage resources and stances closer" for AoE spam.

One thing to keep in mind is DRK starts at level 30 while PLD and WAR start at level 1.

I have played all 3 and like DRK best.

PLD main here but i played all of them during HW.

Pld is the one that teaches you tanking the best in dungeons and instances imo, and is in a very good spot rn so i def recommend it but the other tanks are not bad either even if they might lack raid utility rn, this will hopefully be fixed soon

My advice would be 'try out pld and see if you like the principle of being tank' (don't be discouraged if you lose aggro sometimes esp before u get tank stance) and if you see that you like doing it, you can try the other classes and play around with them

I don't have any issues with Steel Cyclone usage. The very first pack eats the initial SC from Infuriate, then after that I generally generate enough of it. Storm's Path generates this more quickly than the other 3rd combo skills do, and its selfheal helps a bit with keeping me up while taking several mobs, before switching to the Butcher's Block rotation after most of the mobs have eaten one Maim debuff each.

The loss of potency from not using BB is generally compensated by the increased damage the slasher-type DPS classes get out of AoEing SP'd mobs, and this gives more SCs to use for both the AoE emnity as well as damage (since the mobs the later ones hit are Maimed). In general I enter most fights with nearly 100 BG, then SC as necessary to avoid going over 100 or losing threat. If running out of SCs you're probably BBing a bit too much and SPing too rarely.

Overpower spamming is an emergency technique really. If the SC rotation is working normally it should be impossible for DPS to pull aggro off you. It's easier to pull aggro off a PLD since they don't normally use Flash that often being a zero damage skill, while SC is an integral part of the normal attacks. And using overpower drains TP, which limits how soon you can engage the next mob set without relying on either Goad or risking running out of TP (and having aggro cascade over your party).

WAR has more self-sustain, which can be good for running roulettes since you can keep yourself alive to finish off a boss even if everyone else dies. PLD on the other hand is more optimal nowadays if you're running with people you can trust to do their jobs properly.

Good thread. Not to hijack here but I did some low level marauder tanking before jumping into a healer and leveling. Just finished the SB story and am considering picking up tanking as an alt class. Since I skipped most of the dungeons with potd spamming (bad I know) any advice for starting to build that tanking confidence and not piss off too many groups?

Thinking DRK or War tank.

As a general rule of tanking, if someone else tried to pull ahead of you, let them tank it until they die and/or wipe the group. Death is the ultimate teacher for those derps.