[Spoilers] Lore of the Steppes

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Originally Posted by LystAP

It could be. It could also be a more universal belief. The crystal inside is weird, and looks a little Allagan in shape. Maybe it's a actual piece of the moon, whom is you-know-who's prison.

That said, I also look forward to Magnai's perpetual search for his Nhaama.

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The symbols on the pillars at the House are used everywhere on the old stonework in Azim, albeit without the glow, and also on the modern banners and mats around the tribes' camps. I wouldn't be surprised if they're Allagan, since they're vaguely reminiscent of the crystalwork in the Labyrinth of the Ancients, but it and the news of a tribe predating the Xaela and Raen would probably mean that the Auri have the same relation to Allag that the Ixal do.

A bit off topic but >.> anyone have any screen shots of the dotharl characters so i can get some ideas? i haven't gotten that far T^T also super excited to see all the tribes, I've read the lore so absurdly many times now lol..

Here you go:
https://i.gyazo.com/dfdfe145186d2fe5...a6bf473d00.jpg

I understand gameplay and story segregation, I really do. And I realize that putting in even a few lines of separate dialogue for the handful of Xaela WoLs could lead to all kinds of development nightmares. But wow, it was weird being in the homeland of my people after spending years among the hornless, (mostly) tail-less spoken races of the West, and having NO ONE acknowledge that. Especially when Lyle kept pulling her Clueless Westerner act and asking Yugiri why there were so many Xaela and not the big Xaela dude standing right there, or when she patronizingly asked the kids from the nomadic tribe if picking up and moving was hard. (Her portrayal in the Othard sections of the story did not endear her to me, but that's another rant.)

Especially since the writers set up the "Au Ra are misunderstood and persecuted in the West" thing with my favorite edgelord Sid, and what's her name from the WHM 50-60 quest, it felt wrong that my Au Ra WoL finally gets to be around his own people who don't look at him like a freak, and there's no recognition of that.

I feel like if they were going to have any changed dialogue, it should've been more of an "all or nothing" deal, because it felt really strange for that buuz vendor to be the only Xaela who actually acknowledges you, whereas everyone else refers to you as a foreigner or outsider.

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Originally Posted by Rosenoire

I understand gameplay and story segregation, I really do. And I realize that putting in even a few lines of separate dialogue for the handful of Xaela WoLs could lead to all kinds of development nightmares. But wow, it was weird being in the homeland of my people after spending years among the hornless, (mostly)tail-less spoken races of the West, and having NO ONE acknowledge that. Especially when Lyle kept pulling her Clueless Westerner act and asking Yugiri why there were so many Xaela and not the big Xaela dude standing right there, or when she patronizingly asked the kids from the nomadic tribe if picking up and moving was hard. (Her portrayal in the Othard sections of the story did not endear her to me, but that's another rant.)

Especially since the writers set up the "Au Ra are misunderstood and persecuted in the West" thing with my favorite edgelord Sid, and what's her name from the WHM 50-60 quest, it felt wrong that my Au Ra WoL finally gets to be around his own people who don't look at him like a freak, and there's no recognition of that.

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I think it can be inferred that your Au Ra does not hail from that Steppe Region, same way that no player Highlander seems to be Ala Mhigan for some reason. Not all the Raen and Xaela Au Ra come from the areas we find them in the game so your Au Ra simply hailed from elsewhere - and Lyse would have known you to be a foreigner to these lands like she herself.

Also telling is that your guardian deity is an Eorzean God, not one of the eastern deities like Azim. Whether that means you worship the Eorzean gods or you merely gained the favor of one is up to you. We do meet Xaela and Raen Au Ra in Kugane so many Au Ra seem to have moved from the steppes and vales to cities to make a new life for themselves. Your Au Ra may come from such a family. So to these hardened steppe people, you would be as much kin to them as an Ul'Dahn Lalafell - because you are just another outsider. In the end you prove yourself a worthy Khagan, and that should resonate well with your Xaela.

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Originally Posted by Kyran-Varlsen

I think it can be inferred that your Au Ra does not hail from that Steppe Region, same way that no player Highlander seems to be Ala Mhigan for some reason. Not all the Raen and Xaela Au Ra come from the areas we find them in the game so your Au Ra simply hailed from elsewhere - and Lyse would have known you to be a foreigner to these lands like she herself.

Also telling is that your guardian deity is an Eorzean God, not one of the eastern deities like Azim. Whether that means you worship the Eorzean gods or you merely gained the favor of one is up to you. We do meet Xaela and Raen Au Ra in Kugane so many Au Ra seem to have moved from the steppes and vales to cities to make a new life for themselves. Your Au Ra may come from such a family. So to these hardened steppe people, you would be as much kin to them as an Ul'Dahn Lalafell - because you are just another outsider. In the end you prove yourself a worthy Khagan, and that should resonate well with your Xaela.

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I also think there are technological limitations. I'm sure they could have stuck in a text recognition program for your last/tribal name, but that seemed like a fair bit of work for a small section of the game (although it feels really awkward talking the Dotharl on my Hotgo).

And it would be unfair to the other races, such as miqo'te (we get some lore of Seekers, but the Keeper clans are almost all ignored.)

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Originally Posted by Kyran-Varlsen

I think it can be inferred that your Au Ra does not hail from that Steppe Region, same way that no player Highlander seems to be Ala Mhigan for some reason. Not all the Raen and Xaela Au Ra come from the areas we find them in the game so your Au Ra simply hailed from elsewhere - and Lyse would have known you to be a foreigner to these lands like she herself.

Also telling is that your guardian deity is an Eorzean God, not one of the eastern deities like Azim. Whether that means you worship the Eorzean gods or you merely gained the favor of one is up to you. We do meet Xaela and Raen Au Ra in Kugane so many Au Ra seem to have moved from the steppes and vales to cities to make a new life for themselves. Your Au Ra may come from such a family. So to these hardened steppe people, you would be as much kin to them as an Ul'Dahn Lalafell - because you are just another outsider. In the end you prove yourself a worthy Khagan, and that should resonate well with your Xaela.

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It's a little bit different with the Raen in Kugane, since they're a diaspora apart from Sui-no-Sato. If they were willing to exile Yugiri for deciding to leave to aid the Doman Liberation Front, it's not surprising that they don't see a Raen WoL as one of their own.

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Originally Posted by Kyran-Varlsen

I think it can be inferred that your Au Ra does not hail from that Steppe Region, same way that no player Highlander seems to be Ala Mhigan for some reason. Not all the Raen and Xaela Au Ra come from the areas we find them in the game so your Au Ra simply hailed from elsewhere - and Lyse would have known you to be a foreigner to these lands like she herself.

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When Heavensward was released, I spent a fair amount of time selecting my clan from the list of 51 and trying to come up with a reason my guy left the steppes. Based on the lore to date, all Xaela were originally from there, even if they left later. It's not a huge deal, and I didn't expect it to be acknowledged, really, because of the technical issues...just a bit disappointing.

Though I can totally see Lyse not actually realizing that all the people she's seeing look like the guy she's been traveling with. She probably doesn't even think of him as anything other than "the Warrior of Light".

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Originally Posted by LystAP

I also think there are technological limitations. I'm sure they could have stuck in a text recognition program for your last/tribal name, but that seemed like a fair bit of work for a small section of the game (although it feels really awkward talking the Dotharl on my Hotgo).

And it would be unfair to the other races, such as miqo'te (we get some lore of Seekers, but the Keeper clans are almost all ignored.)

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Well, yeah. As I said, I understand gameplay and story segregation, and I realize that putting in even a few lines of separate dialogue for the handful of Xaela WoLs would be difficult and complicated from both a development and a writing standpoint. However, as a player, it feels awkward, like there's a seven-foot-tall elephant with horns, scales and a tail that everyone in the party is pretending not to see. It's kind of like Dragon Age 2, when my mage Hawke stepped off the boat in Kirkwall and immediately gets into a fight on the steps of the Gallows--the Templar headquarters--where he's flinging fireballs around and no one notices because that's how the game has to work. I get it.

I'm curious though: how do other Au Ra players incorporate current canon into your personal canon for your characters? Do you even bother, or am I just incredibly OCD? I've decided that the Mol and Haragin made a temporary alliance. The Haragin don't care all that much about the Naadam, since it means coming inland and doesn't involve fishing; they think it's hilarious that one of their own ends up as khagan.