Change Hissatsu: Seigan plz

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Originally Posted by Furious

Good sams wont be taking unrequired damage to do extra damage, but bad sams can intentionally take extra damage to do extra damage. Third eye is on a 15 second cooldown. The highest damage a sam can do involves intentionally taking damage every 15 seconds.

I'm not speaking from nowhere here, this is a mechanic that has failed badly in many previous mmorpgs. If there is a way to do more damage by standing in the fire, a huge number of players do so intentionally.

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So what you're suggesting is to change the functionality of the ability because bad people might do dumb things with it?

... OK.

Edit: I should point out that the ability is meant to be used while solo. A situation where you will frequently be receiving damage.
This is a case of an ability designed for solo play that just happens to have function in party play that skilled players can take advantage of.

Kick any player that do that, any other SAM will use the third eye to mitigate unavoidable damage and get rewarded by it.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

So what you're suggesting is to change the functionality of the ability because bad people might do dumb things with it?

... OK.

Edit: I should point out that the ability is meant to be used while solo. A situation where you will frequently be receiving damage.
This is a case of an ability designed for solo play that just happens to have function in party play that skilled players can take advantage of.

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No; my suggestion is to change the functionality because bad people will do dumb things with it _and think they are doing the right thing_.

Not really any point continuing to reply; experience and evidence already tells us what will happen. Wait and see.

Not just Seigan; The entire Third eye kit is trash. Its 5% damage reduction for just 3 seconds is practically worthless, and the follow up skills are not rewarding enough.

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Originally Posted by Rhinos

Not just Seigan; The entire Third eye kit is trash. Its 5% damage reduction for just 3 seconds is practically worthless, and the follow up skills are not rewarding enough.

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The self heals are nice when soloing but they aren't much. Third Eye used to be super good (20% reduction on the next hit, with Merciful Eyes having 500 cure potency) in the Media Tour build but it got mega nerfed.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

The self heals are nice when soloing but they aren't much. Third Eye used to be super good (20% reduction on the next hit, with Merciful Eyes having 500 cure potency) in the Media Tour build but it got mega nerfed.

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You're correct. I found this nerf particularly disappointing because of just how puzzling it is. I'd much rather they had raised the cd on third eye and kept an effect that is actually impactful.

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Originally Posted by Furious

No; my suggestion is to change the functionality because bad people will do dumb things with it _and think they are doing the right thing_.

Not really any point continuing to reply; experience and evidence already tells us what will happen. Wait and see.

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a good sam don't take hit, he give them...
yes for the kenki usage seigan is very good, however, often in hard fight, you prefer use your self heal than seigan for...survive? (especially in fight like shin ryu)

The ability is only an issue if people are playing poorly and trying to cheese some damage with it. If used as intended, that is to know fights well enough to get the proc off unavoidable damage, it is perfectly fine. Arguing against it being a net-gain for DPS is like saying people are going to get themselves killed going for positionals on any other class. Bad players standing in bad things can be picked out right away.

im trying to figure out .... why the guy brought up good and bad samurais, while suggesting anyone would use the skill to begin with.. why would you burn a gcd on something that doesnt give you a combo? Why would you not actively use skills to maintain/refresh the amazing buffs we get from combos? and why would you not use that spare kenki on any of the other skills that are instant OR buffing your next iiajistu? someone teach me plz, i dont understand why

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Originally Posted by shingenpride

im trying to figure out .... why the guy brought up good and bad samurais, while suggesting anyone would use the skill to begin with.. why would you burn a gcd on something that doesnt give you a combo? Why would you not actively use skills to maintain/refresh the amazing buffs we get from combos? and why would you not use that spare kenki on any of the other skills that are instant OR buffing your next iiajistu? someone teach me plz, i dont understand why

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I've not gotten to level 66 yet, but seeing as it's an OGCD, I think the idea is that you are to know when an unblockable raid wide hit is coming out (For example, Alexander's Mega Holy), use Third Eye (also and OGCD) in anticipation, take the hit, then weave in Hissatsu: Seigan while keeping your combo up, and trust the healers to do their jobs and top you off. You're not taking any more damage then you would have been anyway, and you're dealing more damage in return. It's cheaper than Hissatsu: Shinten and Hissatsu: Kyuten and actually does more damage than the latter.

I mean that's just my guess anyway