The White Mage Issue - #CalmDownFFXIV

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

"Once you reach that level 70 cap, and you reach Savage Omega, there may be [new] discoveries that you make at that point. So we hope that the players do try it out, and provide feedback once you’ve experienced it first hand"

And we will all be waiting until after Omega savage to see fixes if things are not right.

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Heavenwards Early Access and Astrologian Release: June 19th 2016
Alexander: Gordias Savage Release with first Astrologian Balance Patch: July 21 2016

So you're not ok with waiting 1 month? You're impatient.

To be fair, healers are the least important jobs in raid. There are non-healers complaining about White Mage for some reason even though they do not play it. Gear matters a lot more for DPS and tanks. Unless stronger heals are necessary, healers are not that important in the grand scheme of things. White Mage can do its primary role well even with random proc traits. White Mage will be fine.

Remember it 2 months after that first patch before AST could get on its feet and even then that stigma stood around for more longer until patch 3.4 Am I saying that is going to be the case, no. But it does have an odd sense of deja vu

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Heavenwards Early Access and Astrologian Release: June 19th 2016
Alexander: Gordias Savage Release with first Astrologian Balance Patch: July 21 2016

So you're not ok with waiting 1 month? You're impatient.

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Its not the speed at which they fix things that is my issue. Its that players see the issue without even playing but have to play the game first and suffer with the issue for the developers too listen.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Its not the speed at which they fix things that is my issue. Its that players see the issue without even playing but have to play the game first and suffer with the issue for the developers too listen.

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Really? So what's the issue? Cuz with AST it was that they had lower MP sustain than WHM or SCH and less potencies so they literally could not clear content on the same level. WHM doesn't have either of those issues right now so should be fine.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Really? So what's the issue? Cuz with AST it was that they had lower MP sustain than WHM or SCH and less potencies so they literally could not clear content on the same level. WHM doesn't have either of those issues right now so should be fine.

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My only issue with the class itself is the level of RNG on the lilly mechanic. Thanks to Yoshi though we can just cure 2 to proc lily's and call it day. If SB is anyting like ARR and Heavensward wont be long before cure 2 becomes nothing a but proc button in most dungeons. I am honestly changing over to AST as I have been playing WHM since I started and want something different.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

...there is a consolidated thread for this. That said. My concern is I don't want to go through a patch of being locked out of PFs any time I want to play WHM. As another note...



GMs leave it intentionally vague because they're deathly afraid that if they nail down vote kick criteria, someone will find a way to troll or grief while claiming they can't be kicked. I can repost LGM Enkrateia's full commentary/reasoning here if you like. I don't like it either but years later they're still standing by it.

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The current 'vote kick' categories cover what I consider legitimate reasons.... A stronger stance on curbing bad behaviour would be welcome imo.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

The current 'vote kick' categories cover what I consider legitimate reasons.... A stronger stance on curbing bad behaviour would be welcome imo.

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Well, good news. You can kick someone for virtually any reason (except, specifically, to grief them... but even if you want to grief someone with vote kick, the broad leeway GMs have given you make it about impossible to prove unless you say as much). So any particular behavior you don't like... go ahead and initiate the vote dismissal.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

...there is a consolidated thread for this. That said. My concern is I don't want to go through a patch of being locked out of PFs any time I want to play WHM. As another note...

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It's safe to say WHM will never be a "burden" to a group like AST was in 3.0 to make people omit it from PFs. Anyone that does it now isn't very informed and not worth your time. WHM is perfectly viable even with it's bad lily system and under-tuned confession mechanic. AST in 3.0 was serviceable only by the best of the best and even then, required a bit of work with the group while WHM did not. Ever since 3.07 that was fixed mostly but it didn't fit the dps meta at the time.

WHM will be fine. But obviously, keep the constructive feedback coming as it will give the team ideas on how to approach tuning the job further.

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Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

It's safe to say WHM will never be a "burden" to a group like AST was in 3.0 to make people omit it from PFs. Anyone that does it now isn't very informed and not worth your time. WHM is perfectly viable even with it's bad lily system and under-tuned confession mechanic. AST in 3.0 was serviceable only by the best of the best and even then, required a bit of work with the group while WHM did not. Ever since 3.07 that was fixed mostly but it didn't fit the dps meta at the time.

WHM will be fine. But obviously, keep the constructive feedback coming as it will give the team ideas on how to approach tuning the job further.

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Only bad part about the lily system is the part I hate the RNG!! Random chance and healing are a bad mix tuning can help ease the randomness but it will still be there too pester you at the wrong time.