Shield Wall: A Dual-Paladin Static

Love the since of humor man, PLD needed this for a long time.

If paladins really do like 20% more dps above war/drk, just like some spreadsheet that's floating around says (which I've looked into, and had some mistakes but it might have been corrected by now), it's probably going to get nerfed, since 20% would be way bigger than any dps disparity in the same role we have now (pld is like 5-10% lower than war/drk in single target dps, mnk is like at most 5-10% above drg/nin in similar comp, etc).

In fact Monk is around 2% more than Dragoon, thats why Dragoon dps + battle lethany> Monk :p

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Originally Posted by AlexSag

I feel like all this talk about OP PLD is just going to jinx it. Let's just cross our fingers, keep our mouth shut and enjoy it if and when it happens. Until release, this is all just speculation

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I hope it does. a one tank meta is a boring meta.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

If paladins really do like 20% more dps above war/drk, just like some spreadsheet that's floating around says (which I've looked into, and had some mistakes but it might have been corrected by now), it's probably going to get nerfed

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Even as a longtime PLD lover, I really hope it will. For me it's totally fine that PLD has lower personal DPS than WAR and DRK, and that it should contribute differently.

My wish was for PLD to act as a protector of the main tank, allowing it to stay less time in tank stance, increasing the overall raid DPS...and that's what they did with Intervention, Passage Of Arms and the change to Cover.

I can't wait to test a compo with Deliverance-WAR MT + SwO-PLD OT :D

Considering that pala should have the most tankyness out of the 3 (iron wall job) , plus is basically confirmed that he has the most utility as well, Pala should have the lowest damaget of the 3 tanks, but not low enough so people neglect him again as they didn on HW

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Originally Posted by Bhearil

Considering that pala should have the most tankyness out of the 3 (iron wall job) , plus is basically confirmed that he has the most utility as well, Pala should have the lowest damaget of the 3 tanks, but not low enough so people neglect him again as they didn on HW

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I guess this is the big issue atm. while war and drk basically just got a bit tuning and boost to their tankiness (especially skill synergy for drk, while war was almsot perfect to begin with), PLD also got a ridiculous damage boost on top of being more tanky than ever.
Guess we know soon if this still remains when SB goes live.

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Originally Posted by Bhearil

Considering that pala should have the most tankyness out of the 3 (iron wall job) , plus is basically confirmed that he has the most utility as well, Pala should have the lowest damaget of the 3 tanks, but not low enough so people neglect him again as they didn on HW

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Agreed 100%, but that's also the problem. no matter how much lower pld's dps is, to 1% top elist a loss is a loss, they will make us mortals to think that lower dps is trash.

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

Agreed 100%, but that's also the problem. no matter how much lower pld's dps is, to 1% top elist a loss is a loss, they will make us mortals to think that lower dps is trash.

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It's not that simple. Mitigation (both personal and raid) plays a big part in determining how much healers have to heal. In a9s-a11s even though the tank dmg are mostly physical, they're mostly auto attacks with a few tank busters spread decently far apart. In a11s the cleaves are all avoidable, in a10s many of the busters and cleaves are skippable with high dps. Meanwhile a9s is such a short fight that even with less physical mitigation drk wouldn't put more strain on the healers, and a bonus is that plunge can let you dodge a scrapline, for post-faust kills.

Let's say for the sake of argument, in a12s pld does more dps than drk, now that will be a lot more stuffs to consider, even for speedkills, since the mitigation tools of pld is just terrible for a12s unless you're killing very fast (before 2nd inception for example). You need to weigh the extra dps they bring vs the less dps the healers do to cater for the less mitigation. The min-maxing game is about group dps, not personal dps, so if your extra dps comes at the cost of others', you may not be optimal.

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

Agreed 100%, but that's also the problem. no matter how much lower pld's dps is, to 1% top elist a loss is a loss, they will make us mortals to think that lower dps is trash.

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What matters is the raid DPS. PLD's personal DPS is not that important if he has the utility to increase the DPS of someone else. Like I said earlier, what if having a PLD as an OT allow your MT to do the full fight in DPS stance ?