Will undercutting be a severe issue once SE launches their FF14 chat/retainer app?

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Because you can't report those.

Far as I know, on this not-yet-released hypothetical app framework, anyway.

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Why ever not? If a seller is abusing the market board in a systematic manner that you can actually identify sufficiently to report, then how does their use of the Smartphone app alter your ability to report them. The retainers are still the same retainers, this is simply an interface that allows mobile access to retainers. Are people just reacting with fear and negativity because this is something new?

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Another game that had an externally browseable market, literately had bots doing this. Unless SE decides to only release it to iOS. (Android will guarantee someone making a bot for this within days.)

Like if I were SE, I'd put an query limiter on a client-sided timer, and anything that attempts to circumvent the limiter just gets their app access revoked for 30 days. I'd imagine that too many rapid adjustments would impair the performance of the market to begin with.

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Oh yeah, that's right iOS is completely problem free, no one roots their phone or installs apps to do bad things....

Again, how does this app make the situation any worse than if you have a botter with their PC(s) on 24/7 with bots mining, gathering, crafting, selling and undercutting all the time? It's the same thing - so why do you imagine it will be worse?

Undercutting happens because all MMO player to player markets are perfectly competitive markets. Thus, the market for goods, especially durable goods, tend to drop to the point where the marginal cost is equal to the marginal revenue. /economicsnerd

I'm not too worried - Stock markets IRL have had algorithms and bots doing the trading for years now. Might as well advance in that area in the game as well. What could possibly go wrong?

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I'm not too worried - Stock markets IRL have had algorithms and bots doing the trading for years now. Might as well advance in that area in the game as well. What could possibly go wrong?

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Market board crash where companies are unable to get capital needed to expand business, causing demand to drop and unemployment to skyrocket.

See 1929.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I'm not too worried - Stock markets IRL have had algorithms and bots doing the trading for years now. Might as well advance in that area in the game as well. What could possibly go wrong?

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Never ask that question.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Keyln

Undercutting happens because all MMO player to player markets are perfectly competitive markets. Thus, the market for goods, especially durable goods, tend to drop to the point where the marginal cost is equal to the marginal revenue. /economicsnerd

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Which is why crafters and crafty market sellers need to do value added services, such as melding complementary materia on low/mid level gear, or pre-dying things, or going premium and melding decent materia for higher level pieces. HQ is always good too. Value-added goods always sell better.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

Market board crash where companies are unable to get capital needed to expand business, causing demand to drop and unemployment to skyrocket.

See 1929.

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except that in Eorzea there are gil fountains, and the admission price to a dungeon is being able to press X, so there will be no soup kitchens or cut-rate flop-houses.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

[...] causing demand to drop and unemployment to skyrocket.

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What's unemployment when you're a slave to Rowena already?

Yeah this app is a really really really bad idea. They should add it to japanese servers only.
Didn't they already learn from what people were doing with the amazon codes? People can't be trusted

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Yeah this app is a really really really bad idea. They should add it to japanese servers only.
Didn't they already learn from what people were doing with the amazon codes? People can't be trusted

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LOLOL If we included every example where SE's trust in players had been betrayed by human nature, I think that the post would breach posting limits, even if we edited to go beyond the basic 1000 characters...I'm inclined to give SE a pass on this, and place the blame on those to blame - the people who cannot be trusted.

Hopefully the app doesn't let you put items up, or check market prices, but taking money or checking the sale history is fine. It will be really easy to make a bot if they make an app, like you just changed it from semi-difficult to I could make a 10 minute youtube video on how to abuse the app (I'm not that smart either lol, so.. the app would make it much easier for the regular joe to do).

Perhaps they could make a cool walking app though, walk with your chocobo for free training points or something. If they add chocobo raising especially. Something that preferably you can still do in game, but it would be easy/convenient/encouraging to just do a quick whirl around the park.

Add a mini chocobo/kupo/squadron dungeon you can manage, things you could login and do too.

Anyway, would just prefer that market manipulation isn't a feature. If they changed how the market was structured maybe it would be fine (but I'm not sure people who like playing with the market would like losing control, as that's what I think would make it fine - actually losing some control would probably helpful if they make datacenter wide MWs too).

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Another game that had an externally browseable market, literately had bots doing this. Unless SE decides to only release it to iOS.

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That's not really a good idea. People will still find ways to make bots on iOS. This will also cause SE to alienate their Android fanbase