PSA: Giving promotion privilages to someone in your FC gives them all privilages

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Originally Posted by Destinova

Say you have a another rank like Co-GM above officer, then an officer that can promote can promote himself to Co-Gm.

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Haha, I laugh with tears XD. I remembered it was a pretty silly system but I forgot how bad it was.

Every time I hear the loops in it I just wonder what SE was thinking at the time XD. I've never heard these issues in WoW except for Guilds who didn't set up the roles right in the first place, once done it was done right.

Luckily I've never had these issues with the people I'm with. :/

It's unfortunate that the OP is structured the way that it is, as it it makes me worry the devs may pass it over on the grounds that the poster includes terminology like "higher rank". There are no higher ranks, and there is no hierarchy, so the post may be dismissed out of hand, with the company line that "SE wanted players to have total freedom in structuring their FC ranks", if it receives any attention at all.

What the devs need to understand is that players are NOT granted total freedom, because they are not ALLOWED to establish a hierarchy. All ranks are equal, and someone given the promotion ability can use it to move themselves or others to any rank that they choose. That is the weakness in the system that trips everyone up; players are not permitted the option to set some ranks as being "higher" or "lower" than others, and with the promote command inherently prohibited from promoting someone above the rank of the individual doing the promoting.

While I commend SE for the decision to build a freeform system where the players can set up whatever sorts of ranks they choose, by leaving out the ability to build a hierarchy they've actually restricted the amount of freedom players have to construct their FC ranks. While players should have the opportunity to build ranks that are "equal" to each other in hierarchical terms, they should ALSO be able to build ranks that are "higher" or "lower" than other ranks. Currently we lack this ability - and the fact that hierarchies are so ubiquitous in ranking systems outside of this game means that many players become confused when setting up their ranks, giving promote ability to ranks that they shouldn't because they naturally assume that that promote ability can't be used to elevate your own (or others') permissions beyond your own. They don't understand that there is no elevation, because all ranks are at the same level, and that has caused more than one FC disaster - and will continue to do so.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

It's unfortunate that the OP is structured the way that it is, as it it makes me worry the devs may pass it over on the grounds that the poster includes terminology like "higher rank". There are no higher ranks, and there is no hierarchy, so the post may be dismissed out of hand, with the company line that "SE wanted players to have total freedom in structuring their FC ranks", if it receives any attention at all.

What the devs need to understand is that players are NOT granted total freedom, because they are not ALLOWED to establish a hierarchy. All ranks are equal, and someone given the promotion ability can use it to move themselves or others to any rank that they choose. That is the weakness in the system that trips everyone up; players are not permitted the option to set some ranks as being "higher" or "lower" than others, and with the promote command inherently prohibited from promoting someone above the rank of the individual doing the promoting.

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Except that the system inherently has a ranking system from top (rank 1) to bottom. It treats the ranks hierarchically, but they are not.

Including that top down hierarchy strongly suggests a typical hierarchical security system that is not in place at all.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

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I've edited the OP again. This was good information

Its a dumb system that needs to be reworked, Til then its safe to say Only allow your second in command to hae promote/demote and make sure your second in command is highly trusted.

This is bad

This is really bad.

Some decisions, it makes you think what goes through a devs' mind when they do it...

wait, is that true? can you promote someone else a rank higher than your own? Is it possible for this to be confirmed?

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

wait, is that true? can you promote someone else a rank higher than your own? Is it possible for this to be confirmed?

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It's confirmed and has been commonly known for a long, long time. SE just haven't done anything about it.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

wait, is that true? can you promote someone else a rank higher than your own? Is it possible for this to be confirmed?

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There's no hierarchy system in place. The numbers next to the rank icons which appear when you manage the ranks mean absolutly nothing.

The concept of "higher rank" doesn't exists in the game. There's the Company Master ranks, and then all the others without distinction.

In short, if someone has the permission to promote people, this right is absolute and completly disregards any sense of rank position you may have imagined. This means that someone with the promotion permission can indeed promote people to whatever rank that player wants. Including that player him/herself.

Watch out for the rank with the shield looking icon, its the one you cannot delete besides master, that Icon usually gets most the permissions including once that come out when they add new FC stuff. That should always be the second in command, unless you wanna keep editing that rank all the time.