SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I dont see any , hardly I see mostly bird farms and clear parties, and I mean zurvan is the latest primal so for now people are still doing him frequently. But Id rather not skip to zurvan before I clear sep, thordan , and sophia. It makes no sense at all for them to be in raid finder its not a raid and shouldnt be treated as such, duty finder even if abandoned its still more frequently used, I can get a que for ravana and bis for wt in under 20 mins.

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Yes, you can do them through DF BECAUSE of WT - BECAUSE people are queueing up for them because they need them for that.
Excatly how is this content so different from the Alexander-raid? Its a huge boss with "complexe" mechanics that cant easly be facerolled and requires everyone to pay attention - it doesnt has a weekly lockout, but thats about it.

If you want to do them in the "correct" order, well thats on you and your "problem" - as in: your choice. If that makes it more difficult for you because other people dont share this... well...

And where excatly is the difference in queueing up in DF or RF? Like, techincally? You open a different menu - one that provides nice features! Instead of eliminating it, we should make sure its more commonly known.

Make your own learning PF.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

"Nobody uses RF for primals" is pushing it... and I really don't understand how this can ruin anything for anyone, it's pretty similar to DF, except here you can actually queue separately for learning parties and kill parties.

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Its just simply not the same like mosaicex said down below you cant even que for more than one at a time. Sometimes you just want to get in so when I was trying to que for sync arr primals I would que for all of them at once it didn't matter which one i was quing for as long as I got in. And on primal I have been quing for thordan extreme for a few weeks now with one or two friends and not even one extra person joins after over 30 mins. And sometimes its really not all about progression players like , this game is not just for those whom are at zurvan, or doing a9s -a12s. what about the level 45 warrior thats in nn right now.

Your essentially telling them we are on zurvan now thats the only one you can do and thats all. If someone is a paying customer they expect to have access to anything that everyone else has access to, so you shouldnt be punished for not being up to date with content I can understand skill level but thats why Im asking for df. Df most people know that chances are they may not succeed but in that process they learn and maybe that first or second try they fail but once they have a good grip on things they can do it again and succeed. Rf just simply doesnt work like this to me its to niche to work like df currently does, I personally do not care who ends up in my part as long as they try and are open to listening and I apply that to myself as well.

The lvl 45 warrior won't even be queuing for that kind of content regardless of their preference for DF or RF though? This example is entirely unrelated to this subject

Okay basically - we have DF, where we can queue for easy and mostly outdated content, and for more higher level/higher complexity play we have PF and RF, which people can use according to their own preferences. You're essentially suggesting RF should be removed because you prefer DF yourself, but why should this mean that RF should be removed?...

I really don't see why RF should be removed because you want to queue for more than one thing at the same time and because you're uncomfortable with PF. RF is working and has helped many people (myself included), and while I do agree that it could use some changes and fine tuning, lumping everything in DF is just not ideal

If people aren't using Raid Finder to queue up for ex primals, they aren't going to use Duty Finder either.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Your essentially telling them we are on zurvan now thats the only one you can do and thats all. If someone is a paying customer they expect to have access to anything that everyone else has access to

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And they HAVE access to this content - they can queue up for it, its open for them. If no one else wants to do said content at that moment - well to bad, buts thats not on SE. Thordan is among the harder fights of the game - lots of mechanics, lots of stuff happening at once. Clearing that in DF/RF isnt to likely anyways, people know that, so they dont queue for it.

You're confusing "having access to content" and "being able to do content at any time you want" - I doubt EX-primals in DF would increase the population of people being interested in doing them through DF.

And honestly, your best bet is to make connections and friends within the game anyways if you want to tackle the more difficult content, not counting on PF, RF and DF so much - if you want to lone-wolf everything, you have to accept the downside to it, which is: Waiting for a group to fill.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Yes, you can do them through DF BECAUSE of WT - BECAUSE people are queueing up for them because they need them for that.
Excatly how is this content so different from the Alexander-raid? Its a huge boss with "complexe" mechanics that cant easly be facerolled and requires everyone to pay attention - it doesnt has a weekly lockout, but

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Your translation basically is just saying well Im sorry that you didnt do the content when it was current, you need to catch up to everyone else and come do the lastest content. Nobody is paying money to do one primal, like I said earlier their are just as many people not at endgame those whom are at end game so why ignore them.

I just dont follow this community sometimes, even when I did the 24 mans for the first time even tho Im a mentor getting comments like noob and stuff like that. Do people not realize its a collective thing its a colletive effort that we all pay money to keep this game alive, so if someone is doing something or wanting to do something for the first time then maybe not all but for all those that did die in the content their first round should just shut up. Duty finder even if you get kicked you can still learn from the content and the next time you que do better, Its been my approach on every piece of content in the game. Like me doing a 12 normal the other tank talked trash , but it was my first run every single run after I get commendations and have never failed at any mechanics granted its easy but still. Its simply about access and you have more access to anything df wise compared to rf there is really no way around it.

@ Vidu Im not a lone wolf I have two or three friends that are open to doing any content in the game with me. The problem is , is that I just have a casual friend base they are much more on the crafting in social aspect of the game than wanting to do the challenging parts of the game. Same with my fc someone ask to unsync the last two Arr dungeons unsync we get it together, or titan normal, or hakku manor , or leveling roulette most people are up for this. But if I ask to do thordan or sep extreme I mostly get silence, I personally have had good experiences with df. The thing is just simply more access equals more likely to get a que and thats all Im asking for, not nerfs are changing content but put it in the pool of things that most of the people in the game use.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

The lvl 45 warrior won't even be queuing for that kind of content regardless of their preference for DF or RF though? This example is entirely unrelated to this subject

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This is simply not true my very post just says stop putting the extreme primals in rf only put them in df like all of the other ones. Thordan, sophia, sep, nidhogg, and now zurvan are no way like 1000s of times harder than the arr primals that are currently in duty finder. According to the forums zurvan and sophia extreme are some of the easiest primals in the game so says the people of the forums so why put them in rf. I never said remove raid finder, Im just saying put raids in raid finder like alex, and put the primals back where they belong in duty finder like all the rest of them.

I know what the TS wants

-I said NO BONUS! Who has the bonus?
Silence

thats it. TS just want with bonus to jump into the NO BONUS groups

I think it really depends on the server. Like I tried to queue for a Zurvan learning raid party a couple days after it was released and got 30+ minute raid times. In PF it was able to fill in minutes.