Why a tank need to dps at all?

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Originally Posted by Xx-ReiN-xX

I mean our jobs is just to hold aggro right? Can't I just like /sit after spamming flash/overpower/unleash? As long as aggro is build, why should i keep dpsing if i know i won't lose aggro during the whole fight.

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Damage incease your enmity.

If the thread is a parody about the healer dps complains, make it that a healer damage heal everyone in the party with 1 HP each dmg point, then we can compare those two roles.

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Originally Posted by vp_cmc

Also, if that DPS is taking aggro from you, he must tone down his dps!

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except monks. Enmity control is not something monks have to do.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Damage incease your enmity.

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And dealing damage reduces the damage people take by making the mob die faster, thus functions like a shield.
Moreover, you do not need to increase your enmity when you already have aggro, just as you do not need to heal when nobody is hurt.

Let's not start the comparisons and keep trolling, aye? This thread should get the amount of seriousness it deserves. Which is none.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

And dealing damage reduces the damage people take by making the mob die faster, thus functions like a shield.
Moreover, you do not need to increase your enmity when you already have aggro, just as you do not need to heal when nobody is hurt.

Let's not start the comparisons and keep trolling, aye?

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tanks can still lose aggro, if he build up less enmity than the dps and healers during the fight

Please don't fall for this guys.

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Originally Posted by Felis

tanks can still lose aggro, if he build up less enmity than the dps and healers during the fight

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I kept aggro fine throughout the fight. In tank stance, 3x overpower + berserk and your good for the whole group of trash. On boss Unchained + berserk and 3x BB combo and you can just sit there and wait while the rest burn them down and keep me healed.

Tryhards really need to do better at this. They're way too predictable and their delivery leaves tons to be desired. They really are an embarrassment to the elitist forum boards.

Oh praise halone, I can finally take Mantra and second wind off my hotbar, since as a monk, my job is to DPS, if I take aggro and die, it's the tanks fault for not doing their job and holding aggro and the healers fault for not doing their job and healing me fast enough

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Originally Posted by Xx-ReiN-xX

I mean our jobs is just to hold aggro right? Can't I just like /sit after spamming flash/overpower/unleash? As long as aggro is build, why should i keep dpsing if i know i won't lose aggro during the whole fight.

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No dice, try harder

So do you suggest that hitting with a huge sword or axe should do no damage?

Besides the sarcasm of the post, I think a better understanding of what the people want is whats needed to be understood. (And of course, if they still dont understand why DPS is important, they need a proper explanation as well.)

In FFXIV, obviously maximizing DPS is important (along with many other MMOs)
But some people like the idea of each role being specialized in different roles, with little to even no overlap.
Meaning, as a tank, they dont want "3 modes" where they;
(1) High Threat, low DPS (tank stance, Threat Combo)
(2) Mid Threat, mid DPS (Tank stance, DPS combo, or Threat combo in DPS stance)
(3) Low Threat, high DPS (DPS stance, DPS combo)

Your choices are More Threat, or more DPS. (In actions)
With the choice of stance being passive. (More threat/mitigation, or more DPS)

They would enjoy an MMO where the options are more like how WHM picks heals.
Low Heal, MP effective. High Heal, MP ineffective.

Choosing between burst and sustained threat, and maintaining resources through out.
In essence, they want a role who has more diverse options in threat (or in my case, more options in mitigation, as I find mitigating dmg fun, not so much healing/dpsing)
If every ability played IDENTICAL to the class right now, but instead of more DPS, just had more threat/mitigation, they would be far more likely to do optimal rotations then. (except of course fights with bosses who dont hit hard, will lead to people who will favor threat or mitigation, and not both)

Because this game, liek many other MMOs, lacks a system around threat only, but trivializes it into "always use the same thing over and over for threat", they dont fully see or understand the DPS crowd, and just view their job with their own fantasy. (Also doesnt help the lowest levels are harder on threat, and thats the only thing praise worthy from a low level tank, with the highest priority of maximizing. So they will only continue to find ways of being EVEN BETTER at the thing they got praised for in the past)

You cant just say "Dont be slightly less efficient!" because all that sounds like, is complaining over spilled milk to them.
You need to explain how easier content is the best way to practice what to do for harder content, BEFORE you get there.
Then they need to understand WHY the harder content asks for more DPS of healers and tanks.
And lastly, HOW it can be done, rather than just say, "It can be done, trust me".