Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Healers like you are why I almost never queue as anything else these days. I can't take seeing 1/4th of the party standing around doing nothing for ninety percent of the dungeon.

What on earth do you do to fill the time?

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I feel you! Sometimes I'd like to dps or tank,but I usually just take my WHM because I know I'll most likely do the same amount of dmg (or even more) than one dps on average and I i like my runs smooth and quick.
Also,sometimes it gets even worse and youre stuck with a healer that lets the tank drop down to 5% health and then even doesnt do any healing after you've popped Hallowed Ground/Living Dead/Holmgang to give them some more time
to heal you up. So you STILL die after it runs out. Ugh.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

Better not get in a group with me then. I am there not heal and keep people alive not dps. I do not dps on my healers, if I want to dps then I will go on a dps job.

There is no requirement to dps as a healer, our job is to keep everyone alive so they can do their job.

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I hear you and in other games you'd be right, but in FFXIV healers have significant capacity to dps and not doing so when there's a window in which you could is deliberately holding your group back just because you want to be lazy.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

Better not get in a group with me then. I am there not heal and keep people alive not dps. I do not dps on my healers, if I want to dps then I will go on a dps job.

There is no requirement to dps as a healer, our job is to keep everyone alive so they can do their job.

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Is a DPS's dodging then the healer's job? Is a tank's surviving only the healer's job? Is helping as best you can to complete the run in a decent time somehow not your job as healer?

Why do people think that because their class comes equipped with something they can stick a role label on that the rest is somehow irrelevant?

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Healers like you are why I almost never queue as anything else these days. I can't take seeing 1/4th of the party standing around doing nothing for ninety percent of the dungeon.

What on earth do you do to fill the time?

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Personally, I spend the entire run frantically spamming every heal in my arsenal in a half hearted attempt to keep the party alive through massive overpulls while standing in the fire and forgetting that cooldowns exist.

When I'm not running out of MP healing idiots, I like to take long walks off short piers.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I hear you and in other games you'd be right, but in FFXIV healers have significant capacity to dps and not doing so when there's a window in which you could is deliberately holding your group back just because you want to be lazy.

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Even in other games now, theres a focus on Healers being Healers as a secondary role to providing DPS.
Its actually why i like AST more than SCH or WHM.
As an AST, i spend my free time between heals setting up the biggest damage boosts i can for the party. If the Tank is good enough (Read: Can take more than 3 seconds to go from 100 - dead), Then I'll throw in some DoTs and maybe a nuke here and there.
Some parties have this idiotic demand that Healers spend more time dealing damage than actually keeping the party alive. And if you did't cast a damage spell in the last 4 seconds, you must be doing it wrong and holding up the party.
Its dependent on the party as a whole, as well as the encounter in question. Some fights just have too much unavoidable damage to apply much DPS while also maintaining heals.
Some people don't understand that and assume the healer (who is doing his/her best to keep the party alive, and thus doing damage) is just being 'lazy'.

Personally, I've been wishing that Bards had a Regen Song. It would be awesome to be able to support a Healer by reducing their burden enough that they felt more comfortable dropping some nukes.

I would also love to see Dancer as a right and proper Support Class (with enough healing power to dedicate itself to healing if it wanted to, or to focus on damage dealing) whose playstyle revolved around doing DPS while healing and buffing the party. It could be a lot of fun to play a Job like that.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Some parties have this idiotic demand that Healers spend more time dealing damage than actually keeping the party alive. And if you did't cast a damage spell in the last 4 seconds, you must be doing it wrong and holding up the party.
Its dependent on the party as a whole, as well as the encounter in question. Some fights just have too much unavoidable damage to apply much DPS while also maintaining heals.
Some people don't understand that and assume the healer (who is doing his/her best to keep the party alive, and thus doing damage) is just being 'lazy'.

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I like AST for that reason too. It's my preferred healing job. I think SCH leans a little more on the dps side because its fairy is capable of healing at full strength even when the SCH itself is throwing dots at things, WHM holy is just way too good to not abuse. AST's dps is kind of meh, but as you correctly pointed out they have other things they can be productively spending their time on.

As for the party's idea of when I should be dpsing... f that. It's 100% my call when it's safe to dps and when it isn't because it's my fault if everybody eats the ground while I'm doing it (assuming they didn't stand in the death). I'll dps when I feel it's safe to do so and at absolutely no other time and if they don't like it, I don't really care.

My opinion is that healers should heal and thats it. none of this dps nonsense. You are a healer, why are you dpsing but thats just my opinion on the matter. (que the 'healers should dps as well remarks")

This Debate is a big one and is on going, on one side ppl say healers should dps, the other they shouldnt. unfortunately one side likes to attack the other *cough "heals should dps" side*

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

Better not get in a group with me then. I am there not heal and keep people alive not dps. I do not dps on my healers, if I want to dps then I will go on a dps job.

There is no requirement to dps as a healer, our job is to keep everyone alive so they can do their job.

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Dont get discouraged by the shaming. You're right to do as you do. As long as the party is alive, and the DPS doesn't need to use their own healing cause they're dying in a corner, keep at it. Seriously, don't let us die ;_;

Aside from my own cd use and staying out of the stupid, the healer can do with my health what they wish. If I ran at 5% health and never die, that is fine. It is a resource for them to manage. As long as I dont die, its fine. I will comm them for the dancing.

*Edit* - But if they don't dps, that doesnt phase me either. However, I think those that do dps are playing their toon to a higher level.

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Originally Posted by JisKing98

My opinion is that healers should heal and thats it. none of this dps nonsense. You are a healer, why are you dpsing but thats just my opinion on the matter. (que the 'healers should dps as well remarks")

This Debate is a big one and is on going, on one side ppl say healers should dps, the other they shouldnt. unfortunately one side likes to attack the other *cough "heals should dps" side*

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I'll be honest - in this game, healing is so overpowered that there's really no way to force one (in 4-man content) or two healers (in 8-man content) to have 100% casting uptime on nothing BUT heals. This is why even though I'd rather healing be more intensive, I still do DPS, because hey, it's better than standing around doing derp-all for about 50% of a run.

I push for healing design in this game to change, obviously - I'd rather strive for self-improvement in the area of my field, and not some sub-directive like DPS - but the way stuff is designed right now? Yeah...there's really no reason not to DPS, unless you're new/learning or just playing suboptimally. I don't attack anyone over this perspective, and honestly, nor would I kick someone for NOT DPSing as a healer; I just think it's something that people who are truly committed to maximizing the role in its current state would do.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

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What on earth do you do to fill the time?

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they must be watching youtube/netflix for half the dungeon.

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seriously, when i queue as SCH, it's so boring if i don't dps in a dungeon (since 30-50% of the healing is taken cared of by Eos/Selene) almost to the point that i'd fall asleep playing. there's absolutely no reason to not DPS every once in a while as healer, you're only inconveniencing yourself by making the dungeon run last longer and making others carry your weight