Going agaisnt the grain , but I hope its ok

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

it's not like people constantly switch jobs for Savage. my best gear is on SCH, it's not like anyone in my group knows what my AST or WHM set is.

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I didn't say anything from switching jobs and this is not just an example for savage, but also for other things, like people trying to get into duties with maxed out accessoires and extreme bad other stuff just to beat the average min ilvl cause they are to stupid/lazy to compare gain and cost...
For a numerical example:
1 shire accessoires 260 to 270 will bring you +6 points on your mainstat and +4 points on your secondaries in average
1 shire chest 260 to 270 will bring you +12 points on your mainstat, +6 on VIT and +10 points on your secondaris in average
1 shire weapon 260 to 270 will bring you +13 points on your mainstat, +16 points on VIT, +10 on your secondaries +1 weapon strength (~9 mainstat for damage)

so i have to retcon my previouse statment by chest and legs are worth ~3 accessoires upgrades, weapons 5+, head, hands and feet ~1.5 from the overall stats.
For just the output, chest and legs are worth 2 accessoires upgrades, weapons ~3-4, head, hands and feet ~1.2

In this example upgrading your weapon has the same worth or more like upgrading your complete set of accessoires and even just getting better chest/legs has more worth then getting 2 accessoires (while 2 accessoires are more pricey than 1 chest/legs)

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

No. I couldn't care less if your gear is at least adequate for the content. Anything else only means my patience with your will be less. u.

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Well I was figuring as I was lookin at the gear that shire would be most immediate goal, because I know about rng and drop rates for Alexander cause I have friends that do it. So I mean I really dont see myself forming a static and just spamming this content, unless it just proves to be something super fun, but most of my friends either have theirs are really dont care about the idea of raiding. So I was thinking not counting the Alexander 270 stuff that, I could go 260 shire, 250 hq crafted, and then 240 augmented gear, but I also could just go with two of the same crafted sets at 250. If I was luckly Id throw in some alex gear but most people I know only have a piece or two from there.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

The very reason I want to wear different gear is because with the glam system, when you glam it just makes every jobs gear the same. like its currently doing for my warrior and drk, and scholar and astro. This shared glam system , is one of the worse features in the game to me if they are suppose to be different jobs then why do the have to wear the same gear with just a different weapon.

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Than just redo the glamour when you make the change?

I have people in my static who take glamour more seriously the savage raiding...cause we only get together to clear everything once a week while these 3 change their glamour multiple times in a single day...so why gimp yourself when you can just redo the glamour?

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Originally Posted by Legion88

I didn't say anything from switching jobs and this is not just an example for savage, but also for other things, like people trying to get into duties with maxed out accessoires and extreme bad other stuff just to beat the average min ilvl cause they are to stupid/lazy to compare gain and cost...
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So with 3.5 you will be able to upgrade your gear to 270 as opposed to 260?

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Originally Posted by WeekendSoja

Than just redo the glamour when you make the change?

I have people in my static who take glamour more seriously the savage raiding...cause we only get together to clear everything once a week while these 3 change their glamour multiple times in a single day...so why gimp yourself when you can just redo the glamour?

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I dont exactly have a main I switch between all three tanks, and astro and whm, so I change jobs several times in any given day but I think Im understanding what you guys are saying the only reason I asked the question is from just reading what it says on eorzea database the differences in the gear stats didnt seem extremely different.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Aesthetics is just a major part of the game for me , right now my warrior and drk are wearing the same gear I just find it super boring, same for my scholar and astro, they dont share a set with my whm because they are already level 60. Im also a crafter so Im hoping to be able to craft 250 gear , but I don't know how much different crafter gear is compared to the other options. I wish they would just allow you to get two sets of tomes gear that would solve the whole shared gear issue but i dont figure thats coming anytime soon.

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Use glamours they may have the same gear sets but the skins will be different.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Well I was figuring as I was lookin at the gear that shire would be most immediate goal, because I know about rng and drop rates for Alexander cause I have friends that do it. So I mean I really dont see myself forming a static and just spamming this content, unless it just proves to be something super fun, but most of my friends either have theirs are really dont care about the idea of raiding. So I was thinking not counting the Alexander 270 stuff that, I could go 260 shire, 250 hq crafted, and then 240 augmented gear, but I also could just go with two of the same crafted sets at 250. If I was luckly Id throw in some alex gear but most people I know only have a piece or two from there.

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240-260 would be fine. I would suggest gearing any tank you fancy closer to 260 because you will have aggro struggles with highly geared DPS.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

So I was thinking not counting the Alexander 270 stuff that, I could go 260 shire, 250 hq crafted, and then 240 augmented gear, but I also could just go with two of the same crafted sets at 250. If I was luckly Id throw in some alex gear but most people I know only have a piece or two from there.

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There's also i250 Alex Normal gear.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

So with 3.5 you will be able to upgrade your gear to 270 as opposed to 260?

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yes and you can buy another 260 piece if you have the scripture. and there will be i260 from the Alliance Raid. 3.5 will give you many adequate options for alternate sets of the same role.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

No. I couldn't care less if your gear is at least adequate for the content. Anything else only means my patience with your will be less. Ironworks in The Vault? If you can actually maintain hate as a tank, it's all good. If aggro is bouncing all over the place and we wipe a couple times. I vote kick you.

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There's a very large difference between suboptimal and incompetent.

Some people are so impatient that even the idea of taking another five minutes in a dungeon is so offensive that they will attempt to eviscerate anyone who even hints at it. To them, asking permission for even an extra five seconds for any reason whatsoever is akin to asking permission to kill their firstborn. These are the extremely vocal minority.

Then there's people like you who are reasonable and cool (and generally in the majority), and don't mind taking some extra time, so long as you get the clear.

Neither type of person tolerates incompetence, but the majority can tolerate suboptimal play so long as it still works.

having 3 sets of gear for different glamour themes - say: i260 scripture, i250 creator normal, i250 crafted for your roles that share the same gear (say tanks or healers), is fine if you don't plan to do anything above expert roulette, but like for example as tank with 3 different glams (based on the aforementioned for DRK/WAR/PLD), if you want to try your hand at savage or ex trials you may find that one set drowns you in accuracy and parry (hello, scripture gear!) and the other has good stats but less than adequate accuracy... you will run into problems for those type of content and you will be forced to min-max your set pcs if you want to have an easier time.

but if all you're going to do is expert dungeons, diadem, potd, etc. and below it's all good ^^

but then there's also another problem, if you play other jobs/roles and have crafters leveled up, your armory chest is going to explode!