New Tanks - PLEASE look at this

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

go look for the "I am not a mass pull tank" thread from a few weeks back. Most of the answers were along the line of "Hurr, well then I'm gonna be a douche and only spam one attack, durr!"
(Then again, what the forum says is entirely anecdotal at best. I personally only had a healer complain about too small pulls once in Brayflox normal)

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Well I utterly despise large pulls when i go with my main (ninja). Walking behind a mob train for minutes then hacking at and endless pile of monsters is hardly fun. Especially if you have minimal AoE skills. Not to mention how much I love overlapping AoE markers. Uhh. As for the healer? Let him/her die a few times. You and you alone know how many mobs you can control at a time. And if you lose one, most likely the healer will die first.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Well I utterly despise large pulls when i go with my main (ninja). Walking behind a mob train for minutes then hacking at and endless pile of monsters is hardly fun. Especially if you have minimal AoE skills.

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DEATH BLOSSOM
DEATH BLOSSOM
DEATH BLOSSOM
Uhh, what's next?
Ah, right.
DEATH BLOSSOM!!!

Tbh, that's the reason I do ex roulettes with my Bard nowadays.

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

DEATH BLOSSOM
DEATH BLOSSOM
DEATH BLOSSOM
Uhh, what's next?
Ah, right.
DEATH BLOSSOM!!!

Tbh, that's the reason I do ex roulettes with my Bard nowadays.

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Nowadays I am healing. Being a healer is fun. ONe heal here, one buff there, a deubb to that monster and dot to another one. I'm like a freakin strategist. A shame I like the lore of ninjas too much. Can we have a far east inspired healer job? Samurai maybe? Or just more fun mundra combinations?

I remember seeing that picture ages ago, still a really good reference guide. The Novice Hall for tanks goes over some of that but still falls short on the finer points, like positioning and what/what not to stand in.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Nowadays I am healing. Being a healer is fun. ONe heal here, one buff there, a deubb to that monster and dot to another one. I'm like a freakin strategist. A shame I like the lore of ninjas too much. Can we have a far east inspired healer job? Samurai maybe? Or just more fun mundra combinations?

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I wish there was a job similar to rogues without the whole Ninja aesthetic. All other jobs have nice looking artifact and PvP gear, but the Ninja ones look like crap imo.
But oh well, I am playing a Final Fantasy game after all.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Well I utterly despise large pulls when i go with my main (ninja). Walking behind a mob train for minutes then hacking at and endless pile of monsters is hardly fun. Especially if you have minimal AoE skills.

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True, ninjas' AoE pales in comparison to a monks and especially casters, but they are still fairly efficient at it after the recent buffs. Open up with a Katon, then Kassatsu into Doton, and spam Death Blossom. Katon again if Doton hasn't fallen off yet (otherwise refresh it), and throw an Armor Pierce combo at one of them to keep Huton up. It all does quite a bit of damage, I never have a problem AoEing when I queue into Expert on my own NIN.

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

I wish there was a job similar to rogues without the whole Ninja aesthetic. All other jobs have nice looking artifact and PvP gear, but the Ninja ones look like crap imo.
But oh well, I am playing a Final Fantasy game after all.

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What you are asking for is pretty much the ninja we have now. Most of the gear doesn't look like ninja gear at all and mundras are pretty much discouraged because of GCD clipping. Outside of doing the class quests i don't really feel like a ninja. That's why i'm going to main a healer in SB most likely. Although the red mage might be too fabulous to ignore.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

True, ninjas' AoE pales in comparison to a monks and especially casters, but they are still fairly efficient at it after the recent buffs. Open up with a Katon, then Kassatsu into Doton, and spam Death Blossom. Katon again if Doton hasn't fallen off yet (otherwise refresh it), and throw an Armor Pierce combo at one of them to keep Huton up. It all does quite a bit of damage, I never have a problem AoEing when I queue into Expert on my own NIN.

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The problem is it's freaking boring especially if the number of mobs is in the double digits. Aso for Doton, most tanks avoid them like the plague. I actually commended a tank for not moving monsters out of the doton circle.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

...and mundras are pretty much discouraged because of GCD clipping.

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...What? Huton and Suiton (Trick attack) are both very much encouraged and they most certainly clip the GCD. Well maybe not huton because it should already be up and maintained... but sometimes you just auto-pilot and it goes away.
the only mudra that's really discouraged is Raiton and thats because it's going up against fuma which does not clip and actually has very comparible DPS to raiton. Raiton is discouraged without Foe's or kussatsu, but mudras are not. Please use your mudras.
Doton and Katon are both much higher potency in AoE so clipping isn't really as relevant to that when you only really have death blossom

For the ranged mob: YES PLEASE.
Also, when it is not possible to pack ranged mob (which is rare), please WHM, you have FLUID AURA which is the only skill that bump in the game, USE IT :D

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Originally Posted by Balipu

mundras are pretty much discouraged because of GCD clipping

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...are you sure you mained a ninja?