Shire tank gear

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Originally Posted by RockGodOne

With all the Parry on most of the gear instead of FAR more useful stats, is it even much of an upgrade over the Lore?
If it matters, I don't raid. I've only just started tanking so excuse me if this is a dumb question.

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All Scripture gear is an upgrade over Lore gear. The Parry is not that much of a penalty.

Only 1 of the i250 Proto-Alexandrian pieces is "better" than the i260 Shire gear. The Proto-Alexandrian boots are Crit/Parry vs the Shire's Acc/Parry, but the Shire boots Acc is kinda required to hit the Acc cap for Alex savage which has a bigger influence on damage in the long run.

The Proto-Alexandrian and Shire pants have mostly identical damage weights while the Shire pants have more hp. So the question there comes down to how much Skillspeed you need. Need Skillspeed? Proto-Alex, else Shire.

This is also not getting into Pentamelded crafted gear.

The shire gear is pretty terrible nothing but parry and accuracy however, if you don't raid it is a straight upgrade over lore the only contenders are the crafted gear pentamelded and with materia being cheap and easy to get it's not that much of an issue. The problem with Shire gear is that the parry is not needed and accuracy is barely needed and i've seen tanks with like 900 accuracy and tons of parry while their crit det n are super low with sks being really really high which leads to TP issues as a pld.

It's either raid and be well optimized or stick it out with Shire gear and have terrible stats all round.

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Originally Posted by Awful

The shire gear is pretty terrible nothing but parry and accuracy however, if you don't raid it is a straight upgrade over lore the only contenders are the crafted gear pentamelded and with materia being cheap and easy to get it's not that much of an issue. The problem with Shire gear is that the parry is not needed and accuracy is barely needed and i've seen tanks with like 900 accuracy and tons of parry while their crit det n are super low with sks being really really high which leads to TP issues as a pld.

It's either raid and be well optimized or stick it out with Shire gear and have terrible stats all round.

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Uhm... That is misinformation.

The full i260 Shire tank set has 696 Accuracy (most of the Alex Savage requirement). Only way you are seeing tanks with over 911 Acc is if they have the Shire body, pants, feet and earrings and the Proti-Alex head, hands, bracelet and neckband. At that point every piece but the belt and rings has accuracy on it.

Short explanation: go raid for optimal stats distribution. 9 and 10 are within the easier quadrant of content and those 2 turns reward the most loots. Something SE needs to implement further into all other raid patches for all other jobs as well. If you aren't raiding, don't expect to have optimal stats, and those secondaries don't really matter anyway in most contents.

the Prototype Alexandrian Boots was the very first piece of gear i went for when the patch dropped. Quickly replaced it though, fending boots dropped on my first a10s clear xD.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Uhm... That is misinformation.

The full i260 Shire tank set has 696 Accuracy (most of the Alex Savage requirement). Only way you are seeing tanks with over 911 Acc is if they have the Shire body, pants, feet and earrings and the Proti-Alex head, hands, bracelet and neckband. At that point every piece but the belt and rings has accuracy on it.

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It was pretty sarcastic but most tanks are at over 800+ accuracy savage raiders are under 700 without food and meet the cap with Priestly Omlettes I was just saying that most tanks that don't raid are using mostly shire gear and have tons of accuracy.

And ill still say most of the shire tank gear is pretty garbage because it is.

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Originally Posted by Awful

It was pretty sarcastic but most tanks are at over 800+ accuracy savage raiders are under 700 without food and meet the cap with Priestly Omlettes I was just saying that most tanks that don't raid are using mostly shire gear and have tons of accuracy.

And ill still say most of the shire tank gear is pretty garbage because it is.

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It is still very much misinformation.

The stat weight difference between a full i270 Augmented Shire set (with a second unaugmented Shire Ring to fill the second ring slot) and a 700 Acc after food i270 BiS set is only a 3% to 5% increase. The Shire set may be mostly inferior but that does not make it garbage.

The full i270 shire set with i270 slaying ring only has like 290 less stat weight compared to the best non overmeld set which weighs just above 6.1k stat weight: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/XKP2. That's not even a 5% loss in stat weight. Sure it is a pretty big difference, but considering how easy you can get this set (roulettes and upcoming 24 man raid) I wouldn't call it garbage.

Edit: Just to add for people who are thinking of stepping into savage raids for the first time, by mixing a9s-a10s drops you can improve the full shire set above to just around 180 stat weight below the full i270 set with savage weapon, chest and pants, so that's like 3% less stat weight below people who can clear a12s.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

That's not even a 5% loss in stat weight.

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Well to be fair, for those that care. A 5% loss in Stat weight is not a 5% loss in DPS.

On tank losing 290 worth of weighted stats is probably close to 14%. Which is pretty significant.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Well to be fair, for those that care. A 5% loss in Stat weight is not a 5% loss in DPS.

On tank losing 290 worth of weighted stats is probably close to 14%. Which is pretty significant.

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Yeah it's a big difference but still not really garbage considering how much lower the time you need to invest to get it compared to clearing savage.

Btw where did that number come from? I kinda expected the dps loss to be much higher than the stat weight difference since the loss of crit is huge and crit scales better the more you have it, but I never guessed it'd be 14%.