[DEV REQUEST] Please make the Hellhound Obtainable By More than Just the Top 100 PVP

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Adding a mount to encourage participation has been SE's go to move since the tank mounts.

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Except that it doesn't encourage participation, because it's exclusive to a limited amount of people, so the more people compete over the same amount of rewards, the harder it gets and people rightfully won't even bother.
And that's not much unlike the tank mounts, really - they don't get people into the queues where they are needed, because it only counts 8-man duties, so most people just farm coil unsynced instead of actually "playing" a tank. The incentive isn't set right.

Queues are pretty dead at the moment, because all the people who thought they could make it realized they can't and stopped queuing. The reward structure is ineffective to encourage anything but cheating and not playing once you qualify for the rewards in order not to lose your spot. And other PvP rewards aren't much better - they're heavily grind based. 200 Feast wins is 400 matches at a neutral winrate - even if someone thinks the mount looks good, nobody with a mere passing interest in PvP is going to consider that goal within reach. And that's one of the faster and non-exclusive rewards to get from PvP. The only rewards PvP has that most players would consider reachable and even function as incentive are the wolf mark items.

If you add in how many people don't enjoy it and the fact that ranked serves as breeding ground for toxicity, one of the prime reasons why people want to have nothing to do with it in the first place, it's no surprise it's dead.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Do you know of a faster way to get more PvErs into PvP? Making PvP more enjoyable is a BETTER way, but its not faster. Adding a mount to encourage participation has been SE's go to move since the tank mounts. Is there another mount that would make all the PvErs want to take up PvP, more than hellhound? Does it matter that its a hellhound, or would the outrage still exist if it was another mount? I don't see any forum posts of outraged players wanting an earring. The bottom line is most PvErs are ok with an exclusive reward....so long as the reward is lame.

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Except this doesn't actually encourage them to PvP because the exclusivity makes the task feel impossible. These are fresh PvPers going up against an entire datacenter, where only the top 100 players get the Hellhound. For someone just starting out, they'll perceive it an impossibly difficult task and thus, not bother at all. This is only further compounded by the lack of rank depreciation, which hilariously encourages top ranked players to stop PvPing because it'll hurt their chances.

Compare this to say, Overwatch: where the only exclusive content is promotional stuff. Everything else is obtainable through a currency everyone has access to no matter their skill level. That is how you incentivize PvP for new players.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

If you add in how many people don't enjoy it and the fact that ranked serves as breeding ground for toxicity, one of the prime reasons why people want to have nothing to do with it in the first place, it's no surprise it's dead.

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Another reason? The barrier for entry is incredibly high. The devs are reworking the PvE battle system due to potential skill bloat yet PvP introduces six new abilities you're expected to weave on top of your existing rotation. I can't speak for other jobs, but on Dragoon, it's bloody annoying because I have to rearrange my hotbar so I have better access to these skills, figure out which of my PvE skills are useless and then switch everything back once I'm done PvPing. It's a cumbersome mess I, frankly, cannot be bothered with a lot of the time despite actually enjoying The Feast. An immediate improvement would be to remove these skills entirely or merge their effects into existing skills; exclusive to PvP, of course.

It would have been fine to have it as a reward for X wins (like the other mounts) but making it seasonal *and* exclusive rather than one or the other is a bit much for something that much of the playerbase has been asking for since Void Ark.

I don't even mind if they had, say, an armored version for the PVP'ers and a non-armored version for the rest of us. That way they still get an awesome thing to show that's just a bit better than the rest of us, but we still get an opportunity too. Not exact though, so there would be no mistaking who got it through PVP and who facerolled Void Ark 100 times (tongue-in-cheek) to get it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This is only further compounded by the lack of rank depreciation, which hilariously encourages top ranked players to stop PvPing because it'll hurt their chances.

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I just discovered this and I cannot tell you how much I loathe it already.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Do you know of a faster way to get more PvErs into PvP? Making PvP more enjoyable is a BETTER way, but its not faster. Adding a mount to encourage participation has been SE's go to move since the tank mounts. Is there another mount that would make all the PvErs want to take up PvP, more than hellhound? Does it matter that its a hellhound, or would the outrage still exist if it was another mount?

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I can't imagine forcing PvErs into competitive PvP being all that much faster than making PvP more enjoyable.
You're right that SE added things like tank mounts to encourage players to do content on tanks, as well as frontline/wolves' den mounts to encourage players to run that. The difference being that for all of those, PvErs could casually play some PvP (or tank stuff, when it comes to the tank mounts) and eventually get to enough wins to obtain those mounts. The hellhound is completely different, as it forces them to compete right away, and that's a turn off for plenty of PvErs.

I think the best way for competitive PvP to still have semi-unique cool rewards, is to have two versions of a mount. A normal version and an armored version, one being obtained in PvE, the other in PvP.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

I don't see any forum posts of outraged players wanting an earring. The bottom line is most PvErs are ok with an exclusive reward....so long as the reward is lame.

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I don't remember seeing as much of an outrage on the PvP glamour sets from the first two seasons, compared to the current mount/minion, unless that reward wasn't considered unique?

If the mount is a reward for season 3 and assuming season 4 rewards the same item. A possible 260 players per data center would have this reward. It actually not that hard to get into the top 100 solo or top 30 light party, just keep trying and try to improve as much as possible and even if you dont get it for season 3 you still have season 4 with probably less competition to get it except this time you have more experience.

The tank reward was an example. Its not the only place that rewards a mount for participation. But you can't argue that this is their go to move. Yes making PvP better and more enjoyable is the best way to go. But in terms of Dev time what is EASIER? Recreating pvp from the ground up, or adding a mount everyone wants? Do I think its fair that the mount is so exclusive? No not really, but I am not ok with taking more away from the pvp community and giving nothing in return. Again, why aren't you screaming about how exclusive the earring is? Its just as exclusive only you don't give a crap about it so its ok for that petty pvp community to have. Plus the "I'm not good so don't bother trying" is not an argument you should get behind.

You can not casually enter a competition and expect the same rewards as the winner. Maybe this mount just isn't intended for everyone, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

If the mount is a reward for season 3 and assuming season 4 rewards the same item. A possible 260 players per data center would have this reward. It actually not that hard to get into the top 100 solo or top 30 light party, just keep trying and try to improve as much as possible and even if you dont get it for season 3 you still have season 4 with probably less competition to get it except this time you have more experience.

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You forgot crying on forums is less effort for these players though.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

If the mount is a reward for season 3 and assuming season 4 rewards the same item. A possible 260 players per data center would have this reward. It actually not that hard to get into the top 100 solo or top 30 light party, just keep trying and try to improve as much as possible and even if you dont get it for season 3 you still have season 4 with probably less competition to get it except this time you have more experience.

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That's assuming the players who PvP in season 3 completely stop doing so in season 4 (which is unlikely).

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Originally Posted by Gravton

The tank reward was an example. Its not the only place that rewards a mount for participation.

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It's a good idea to actually read posts. I mentioned both the tank mounts, and the mounts from frontlines/wolves' den. As in, the ones tied to x wins achievements.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Do I think its fair that the mount is so exclusive? No not really, but I am not ok with taking more away from the pvp community and giving nothing in return.

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Hence, my suggestion of having two mount models. One normal, one armored. One for PvE, one for PvP.

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Again, why aren't you screaming about how exclusive the earring is? Its just as exclusive only you don't give a crap about it so its ok for that petty pvp community to have. Plus the "I'm not good so don't bother trying" is not an argument you should get behind.

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Which is why I said that I don't remember much of an outrage towards the glamour sets from season 1 and 2. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that it was actually designed as a PvP reward, and not a model that was blatantly ripped out of PvE content?
Unless you don't consider the glamour set to be unique?

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Originally Posted by Gravton

You can not casually enter a competition and expect the same rewards as the winner. Maybe this mount just isn't intended for everyone, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Which defeats your point of getting PvErs into PvP, as most of them will do so casually.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Which is why I said that I don't remember much of an outrage towards the glamour sets from season 1 and 2. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that it was actually designed as a PvP reward, and not a model that was blatantly ripped out of PvE content?
Unless you don't consider the glamour set to be unique?

Which defeats your point of getting PvErs into PvP, as most of them will do so casually.

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People didnt complained about the gear set of season 1 and 2 cause they didnt cared about it. You know whats even more funny? There is a thread from the past who requested it http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Void-Ark-Mount but it doesnt even reached page 2 now ppl come and say "pvers asked for this mount so much". Just get over it pls ty stop taking away any rewards we have isnt it enough that we already rarely get new modes, gear etc.