What job was she?

FF Dimensions for iPhone was a more modern take on FF5. In FFD, RDM learned up to level 2 magic, but also learned Spellsword at a high job level. Those spells were like Drain Sword, Stone Sword, Aspir Blade etc. So if RDM had Sword Magic in FFXI and FFD, it's not too huge of a stretch for RDM to have it if they appear in FFXIV. So if BLM/SCH/SMN/ARC/BRD/MCH are ranged jobs that have cast bars for their GCD, maybe RDM will be a close range job with cast bars on their GCD, and they'd have rotations. Honestly if SAM is DPS, I can see RDM being a tank, because they could have Aspir Blade (Siphon Strike/Riot Blade), Drain Blade (Inner Beast/Souleater), Flat Blade (Leg sweep, Shield Bash), Cura (Clemency), Thundara (Unmend/Shield Lob/Tomahawk), Fira (Flash/Unleash), Blizzara (Soiled Earth), Wall (Rampart), Phalanx (Sentinel), and Riposte/Reflex (Reprisal). DPS rotation could be elemental sword hits. Or they could have Spellblade stances that give them various effects like NIN;s poisons that alter the secondary effects of their oGCDs. Like turn Enthunder on to give Riposte a stun effect, or with Enfire, Riposte adds a DoT. I just don't see them adding 2 DPS jobs in 4.0 and SAM I doubt would be a tank because they would look dumb in heavy plate armor. SAM would likely share Maiming gear with DRG because it's medium weight.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

FF Dimensions for iPhone was a more modern take on FF5. In FFD, RDM learned up to level 2 magic, but also learned Spellsword at a high job level. Those spells were like Drain Sword, Stone Sword, Aspir Blade etc. So if RDM had Sword Magic in FFXI and FFD, it's not too huge of a stretch for RDM to have it if they appear in FFXIV. So if BLM/SCH/SMN/ARC/BRD/MCH are ranged jobs that have cast bars for their GCD, maybe RDM will be a close range job with cast bars on their GCD, and they'd have rotations. Honestly if SAM is DPS, I can see RDM being a tank. SAM would likely share Maiming gear with DRG because it's medium weight.

---

yeah its possible for either job to go either way imo, but what youre saying holds alot of bearing, could be red mage if they took mystic knight out of dimensions, guess flare sword was just too amazing lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fiaryn

On the other hand her defining characteristic was sword magic. My inclination is that, given what Yoshi has said in the past about Red Mage not really suiting the tank/healer/DPS paradigm, it's going to be Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer but with lore that cribs from Red Mage. Much the same way that Summoner/Scholar/Arcanist cannibalize some of the thematics of Calculator.

---

Red Mage is 10000% better for marketing so it'd be the other way around with Red Mage taking a bunch of stuff from other sources.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fiaryn

My inclination is that, given what Yoshi has said in the past about Red Mage not really suiting the tank/healer/DPS paradigm, it's going to be Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer but with lore that cribs from Red Mage.

---

I don't really see why RDM wouldn't fit the paradigm, all you would have to do is take away it's healing spells for it to become a dps. Then just give it some magic sword skills and voila... It could even keep a healing spell/action as a self heal (akin to Second Wind) to keep the 'all round' idea.

(I could really see it work with a regular damage combo that stocks a resource, which can then be used to release an elemental attack to invoke the idea of magic being used. But that is neither here nor there. We will have to see what SE does with the class, if they indeed use it.)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alice_89th

I don't really see why RDM wouldn't fit the paradigm, all you would have to do is take away it's healing spells for it to become a dps. Then just give it some magic sword skills and voila... It could even keep a healing spell/action as a self heal (akin to Second Wind) to keep the 'all round' idea.

(I could really see it work with a regular damage combo that stocks a resource, which can then be used to release an elemental attack to invoke the idea of magic being used. But that is neither here nor there. We will have to see what SE does with the class, if they indeed use it.)

---

Exactly. In theory ANY existing FF job could be made to fit within FFXIV's trinity paradigm; all it takes is a little creativity in reshaping their toolset whilst retaining the core gameplay and themes. The same goes for Blue Mage which is also regularly said to be impossible with XIV's role structure. If anything though, I would much rather we just get hybrid jobs that are forced to lock into a role in the DF and have their skills limited when in group content. Let RDMs be a jack of all trades and then simply choose to be a healer or dps when queueing. There are other MMOs that do this and it works fine.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alice_89th

I don't really see why RDM wouldn't fit the paradigm, all you would have to do is take away it's healing spells for it to become a dps. Then just give it some magic sword skills and voila... It could even keep a healing spell/action as a self heal (akin to Second Wind) to keep the 'all round' idea.

(I could really see it work with a regular damage combo that stocks a resource, which can then be used to release an elemental attack to invoke the idea of magic being used. But that is neither here nor there. We will have to see what SE does with the class, if they indeed use it.)

---

Summoner can raise being a dps, Red Mage having some single target healing could be done in a way it could be useful in emergency situations but obviously not on the level of a healer.

I'd actually prefer for them to focus on more Non-FF jobs

If you take away Red Mage's healing spells, it becomes a watered-down Black Mage.

If you take away Red Mage's damage spells, it becomes a watered-down White Mage.

The core of Red Mage's identity is that it is both a Black Mage and White Mage at the same time, just not to the effectiveness of either. Take away the ability to do either in any situation and it's no longer really a Red Mage, yeah?

... that's not to say they couldn't add something like "Black Mage Stance" and "White Mage Stance" to boost damage and healing, respectively, or have it branch like Arcanist does into "Scarlet (Black) Mage" and "Rose (White) Mage." Something like that.

Either way, we don't yet know what class Alisae is/was. Maybe Red Mage, maybe Rune Fencer, maybe Mystic Knight, maybe something new.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cilia

... that's not to say they couldn't add something like "Black Mage Stance" and "White Mage Stance" to boost damage and healing, respectively, or have it branch like Arcanist does into "Scarlet (Black) Mage" and "Rose (White) Mage." Something like that.

---

Or take what's already there, cleric stance, and be done.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cilia

If you take away Red Mage's healing spells, it becomes a watered-down Black Mage.

If you take away Red Mage's damage spells, it becomes a watered-down White Mage.

The core of Red Mage's identity is that it is both a Black Mage and White Mage at the same time, just not to the effectiveness of either. Take away the ability to do either in any situation and it's no longer really a Red Mage, yeah?

... that's not to say they couldn't add something like "Black Mage Stance" and "White Mage Stance" to boost damage and healing, respectively, or have it branch like Arcanist does into "Scarlet (Black) Mage" and "Rose (White) Mage." Something like that.

Either way, we don't yet know what class Alisae is/was. Maybe Red Mage, maybe Rune Fencer, maybe Mystic Knight, maybe something new.

---

Red mages were never just about the black and white magic. They were also competent physical fighters. The one thing that has been consistent about red mages across all games, is their status as a jack of all trades. While a black or white mage were basically useless if they ran out of mp, a red mage could still do respectable damage with just about any weapon.