Square Enix: Please reconsider putting the Native American war bonnet attire in-game.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

When I responded with what I said earlier, about other clothing being in the game, I was more in the sense asking "Why are you against x culture's traditional clothes being used but have nothing to say about y culture?", you can't just be fine with one being used and the other entirely, wholly ignored. It's not right, and it should never be something.

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The issue with that is that different cultures have different ideas associated with different things. It's comparing apples to oranges.

It's a quick and dirty example, but in the west, a lot of people think all turbans are just, you know, weird hats or whatever. In much of the Middle East, that view is pretty right. A turban is just a hat. If you talk to a Sikh, however, a dastar is not "just a hat", it's an article of deep, religious import.

Different things have different meanings and it's very often wrong to strip those things of their context when they're a core facet of a culture's identity.

Ah yes, lets take away the ability for Native Americans to dress up as Native Americans, because it offends me as non-Native American.

As a Native American I can say that I don't find this offensive & am actually looking forward to wearing the female version of the outfit.
We have outfits inspired by all sorts of cultures, why can't we have clothing inspired by Native American culture?
(which tbh back when people were asking for outfits from other regions similar to the Chinese & Korean outfits I was worried the NA side was gonna get some stupid red, white & blue themed stuff. So this is a pleasant surprise xD)

At the end of the day this is just a game, and the devs are not putting the outfit in the game in a mocking way, so why take offense?

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Originally Posted by Velynea

Ah yes, lets take away the ability for Native Americans to dress up as Native Americans, because it offends me as non-Native American.

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Right?! Thank you! I'm looking forward to representing! xD

IF the argument were given and implemented in the material world aka real world (for the virtual is still the damn world just abstract), then yes take it down for it is not taking in consideration the political, religious and economic impact it can do.

This is a video get the majority just useit to relax and take a free time from our obligations we have in our life. Imagine if during Halloween doctors. Nurses, police officers, pilots, fireman would get mad cuz their uniform are taken to dress up as something we or children don't work as.

Nah, this is just a generic war bonnet. Brazilian natives also wore war bonnets kinda like this one. This is not a "native america war bonnet omg get this out of the game" - it's just a generic piece of item.

Whatever happened to simply not using something if it is 'offensive'? Censorship should only be resorted to in the most dire of cases - especially since it stifles creativity and creative freedom. There is an immense amount of gear, architecture and lore inspired by various real world cultures throughout FFXIV. As well as in various other mainstream MMO's. I will be very disappointed if this thread ends getting the gear in question removed from the game since it will set a dangerous precedent of the developers bowing to the vocal minority who kick up a fuss over 'social justice' issues.

Many religions believe that birth out of wedlock among other things are very wrong and take great offence to anyone that promotes and lives such a lifestyle, yet it's the same group of PC fanatics that would fight tooth and nail against such conservative beliefs regardless of the feelings of such groups. But yet here we are selectively choosing who it is and isn't okay to offend? I'm offended that freedom of expression and artistic creativity is being stifled by people who want to control everything about how we should feel and act.

As an aside, ignoring comparisons that help justify reasons why your request should not be given special and exclusive treatment is avoiding rational debate altogether. Instead of trying to sidestep the difficult questions, you should be explaining why this particular item should be avoided simply because it is one of the many hot topics in American PC culture at the moment while others items - which people are conveniently not bothered by - can be left as it is until the imaginary day when someone decides it's a problem actually arises.

It's only offensive because someone decided it should be offensive. I'm sorry that it's something that makes you feel uncomfortable but the world that this kind of thinking is pioneering towards is something that makes me along with many, many others gravely uncomfortable too. So with that in mind, you cannot automatically win an argument just by slapping an "this is offensive" tag on the side because everyone has an angle from which they can claim they are being slighted and nothing at all from that point on would ever be free.

I am no historian, but weren't such headdresses and outfit worn by many different ancient American civilization as well? Such as Aztec, Inca, Maya, etc but with variances depending on culture and environment

http://world4.eu/wp-content/uploads/...s_costumes.jpg

I think even the Ixals were inspired by such civilizations based on their language and attire

I'm Asian (part Japanese) and I don't get upset that people go around wearing yukata and dressing as miko (shrine maidens) even though that was a fairly sacred role. The thing is, I understand that the clothing mimics our "real world" cultures, but the characters wearing them are not American/British/Japanese/Native American -- they are Eorzeans. FF15 takes place in a make believe world, and while cultural appropriation is a real and damaging thing in real life, FF15 is not real life. I often wonder if the people being upset about things like this are even part of the culture they are so defensive about (I know you don't have to be Native American to support their culture, but then I have to wonder if such are just misplaced SJWs).

The Japanese made this as an imaginary costume for an imaginary game and based it on a real cultural item - as someone said earlier, cultural appropriation is taken much more lightly in Japan than the US (just look at some anime that poke fun at various cultures). I kind of wish we in the US could also take that sort of relaxed attitude instead of always being offended.

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Originally Posted by Shofie

I'll try to keep this as succinct as possible.

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Your entire argument falls apart when the object in question is not in actuallity a "Native American War Bonnet" it may look like one, but it is not one. Therefor the cultural impact and damage is only perceived by you in your limited perspective.

In FFXIV it is a collection of feathers, perhaps a tribal head-dress of some tribe that is assuredly not of Native American descent.

What next no pants because someone made them first?