Squadrons are a let down for now

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Originally Posted by Laerune

There is nothing wrong with announcing anything, but what is the point if they are not going to deliver it? As for players complaining, isnt it normal to complain, if you dislike something? Its what this forum is for, to dicuss, share ideas and complain about features.

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There's a difference in saying that you are "planning to do this" and "actually going to do it". If something doesn't work (like primal summoning), then it won't make it into the game. But that shouldn't prevent them from talking about the ideas they have.
It's not their fault if people build false expectations over simple ideas, thinking that they are promises.

Besides, taking platoons in dungeons is likely to happen as they say they are working on it. But since the platoon management part is finished, why not releasing it? Just because it's not completly exhaustive? That's a dumb reason in a constantly evolving MMORPG, because it would mean that they can't release anything ever if "not finished". So, what about the warring triad? They shouldn't release it because the 3 bosses aren't done yet? What about PvP? Should they stop releasing things for it because it wasn't in the first patch when they started implement it? There are countless examples.
Where do you draw the line here?

Platoon management is done. They release it. You like it or not. That's it.
There's absolutly nothing that should prevent them to release some content in multiple patches if the parts they release can already be enjoyed by some. If you don't think so, then you are denying the fun some people might have playing what's already available... and you have no right to do that.

Ff14 players take complaining to a new level.

Here is this new system and element to the game they are designing for us. This is an MMO with a very stable patch cycle - it is constantly evolving and being built upon.

Its great we have a producer that is so invested in this game, so excited, that he shares with us his vision and what he wants to implement. Sometimes plans do not work out in reality - while sad, this is ok as well. It happens.

It is great they release things to us as they create it, allowing for ample room for these features to be built upon in a future patch and adjusted.

The alternative is nothing. Nothing at all. Nothing to speculate over. Nothing to look forward to. Nothing new to even try until it is 100% complete and then you get what you are given. No stable patch cycle because you wait until something is 100% and who knows how long that could be?

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Originally Posted by Aillith

The alternative is nothing. Nothing at all. Nothing to speculate over. Nothing to look forward to. Nothing new to even try until it is 100% complete and then you get what you are given. No stable patch cycle because you wait until something is 100% and who knows how long that could be?

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The alternative is to use that development time to work on existing, half done, doa content instead of adding more doa content.

I'll be looking forward to this if the NPCs have their own personalities. It seems like it's going in that direction if we can interact with them in the Squadron Hall and if they all have names and traits. I'm crossing my fingers, but yeah, if they're even a little bit involved, I'll be happy.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

There is nothing wrong with announcing anything, but what is the point if they are not going to deliver it? As for players complaining, isnt it normal to complain, if you dislike something? Its what this forum is for, to discuss, share ideas, suggest stuff to the developers and complain about features that they did not like, how else will the developers know what we like or dont like?

I realy hope they bring back those polls from the BETA, I think its time the players and the developers have a nice discussion about the recent stuff that has been added to this game.

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You can dislike something, but to dislike something before you actually try it is a bit dumb. What you see from slides and what you see from the game itself are two completely different things. Yea sure this is a negative but from the slides and showcase verminion looked like something that would of been fun, upon execution it fell flat.

PoTD looked good in the slides and from what we saw and guess what, it was fun. People screamed for Gold Saucer, Triple Triad and all that interactive mini-games, yet how many people actually play it regularly? Truth is people never know what they want, they say they want one thing, then get bored of it quickly lol.

"We want more content that's not just dungeons!"

"This content sucks, they should stop doing this dumb content!"

This board in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Aillith

Here is this new system and element to the game they are designing for us.

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The entire concept of managing personal NPCs has existed since this game's birth. Slapping shallow flare onto it doesn't make it new.

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Originally Posted by Aillith

Its great we have a producer that is so invested in this game, so excited, that he shares with us his vision and what he wants to implement. Sometimes plans do not work out in reality - while sad, this is ok as well. It happens.

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His vision doesn't extend past his hands, and when you try one or two new features that show to be a bust, the thing to not do is just keep blindly throwing out more and more hoping to see something stick.

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Originally Posted by Aillith

It is great they release things to us as they create it, allowing for ample room for these features to be built upon in a future patch and adjusted.

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It'd be even better if they'd finish one thing first and while we actually get to fully enjoy something while they slowly introduce and build on another thing. Plenty things by now to wet the appetite, so how about bringing out the actual meal?

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

The alternative is to use that development time to work on existing, half done, doa content instead of adding more doa content.

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Current state they are definitely a let down, essentially being just a more robust venture system. If they ever can be used in DF or the open world, I will change my opinion on the system.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

Tell me what would've satisfied you?

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Personally, what will satisfy ME with squadrons is if there is an entire GC based story for each one that we can do. Show us how these Grand Companies have been holding up after all of the things that happened lately and have our squadron be an integral part of that or related to everything happening somehow.

Am I the only person who doesn't want to replace every other person in the game with NPCs?

I have spent more of my life in the DF queue than I ever care to imagine.

I have had more runs go bad to the point that I quit and eat the penalty or kick others and want nothing more than to reach through my monitor and strangle the life out of my party members for one reason or another.

Even with all of that, I hope to never see the day that we replace people with NPCs for completing content that was intended for multiplayer parties. At that point I might as well go work on the stack of single player games gathering dust in my living room instead.

What would I like to see?

Create GC related content that is intended for taking your squadron into. Something like hamlet defense. The GC knows the golden bazaar is under seige or attack and you and your squadron are dispatched to defend it. Something like that would get my interest.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Hamlet_Defense