What about Sentinel no Job? (lets get rid of it)

Much like gauntlets are armor, but if you punch someone in the face do they become a weapon? I think they are still armor.

Yeah I was thinking about that... it's kind of armor but kind of a weapon in a way...

In the game I think it's defined as armor, I was considering things you that have in your hands as weapons. Whereas armor is something you put on and don't have to "hold" I guess. I was thinking Shield is equipped in a weapon slot, when saying that "shield is a weapon".

Anyway, the point is Sentinel is a class and won't be changed.

I think the bigger question here is... if you leveled Glad / Thm / Con why wouldn't you equip a shield?

Shield is indeed an armor, but in FFXIV it's a weapon. Data wise it is indeed a true class, it's makeup is like any other class, but there can't be a job attached to it unless it's a requirement for another like how Paladin is Gladiator + Marauder.

Getting rid of it is pointless since you could easily say they could get rid of Marauder because they can easily shuffle those abilities to Gladiator and Pugilist. Nothing is really going to happen to this, it's just a secondary set of (helpful) skills you learn through leveling it.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Shield is indeed an armor, but in FFXIV it's a weapon. Data wise it is indeed a true class, it's makeup is like any other class, but there can't be a job attached to it unless it's a requirement for another like how Paladin is Gladiator + Marauder.

Getting rid of it is pointless since you could easily say they could get rid of Marauder because they can easily shuffle those abilities to Gladiator and Pugilist. Nothing is really going to happen to this, it's just a secondary set of (helpful) skills you learn through leveling it.

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My thoughts exactly but worded more coherently than I've managed thus far.

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Originally Posted by Irondude

Shield is actually not a weapon, it is armor.

the definition of sentinel is to guard, not to use a shield.

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A shield is both weapon and armor. a weapon is anything you use to harm another. so shield bash turns this piece of armor into a weapon.

A shield can be defensive weapon. shield bashing, using the edge of the shield, stopping an enemy charge, pushing them back.

The way shield is se tup makes me think they probably originally had plans to implement other classes that functioned similarily.

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My thoughts from 7 months ago, which are still pretty much the same, minus the stuff that has already been changed:

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

1. They need to get rid of the Sentinel class and just incorporate all of its skills into the gladiator class.

2. Create new mage-specific shield skills and incorporate those into the THM and CON classes
2b. Create mage specific 2-hand staff only skills and incorporate those into the THM and CON classes

7. When a successful block (or parry or evade, for that matter), show it in the chat log in bold, bright, capital letters.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

I actually think sentinel should be removed as a class. Give Gladiator and the mage classes their own shield skills (and 2hand skills while they're at it).

The concept of sentinel as a second class is pretty stupid, to put it bluntly. It served no useful purpose, and there isn't any compelling reason why it needs to be that way.

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Shield level, its the new physical.