I feel like I know the problem, but I don't have a solution to it because it involves the attitudes of players as a whole.
There always seems to be a conflict of interest between new players and veterans. Veterans have seen the content repeatedly and simply want to plow through it as fast as possible to get it over with, but new players typically want to experience everything the dungeon has to offer. This can create frustration on both sides as neither of them can have a fully enjoyable experience due to each other's conflicting goals, made worse by the fact that often times, especially by mentors, there is very little team communication going on.
I'm sorry you went through this situation, yet at the same time I feel like I understand the other side a little bit. I think it's a sad reality that many people simply don't have the patience and/or temperament to really help those who are struggling with the game, especially when their goals particularly involve "get in and get out."
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08-15-2016, 11:44 AMWindi
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08-15-2016, 12:41 PMLalafellDownI've had this done to me too during the 2.0 days. While tanking I had a healer and DPS rush off and pull adds in multiple dungeons which was fine by me. Clearly they're not morons, they knew what they were doing. By the time I caught up to them I would easily gain control of the situation. Now that I'm a overpowered handsome tank I know how those players felt and I'd prefer the fastest way. Either by pulling all the adds or walking past them. You shouldn't hinder another players play style, but adjust to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windi
Why should the other 2 players go slow? Is it because of your slow laptop? I'm assuming the healer knew what they were doing and if they did get in trouble I sure the healer could handle it on their own. By the time you would of caught up and taken the aggro away or they would of ran to you if they needed help. Healers like that are the best healers because they burn down adds fast and can heal with almost 0 MP left. -
08-15-2016, 12:59 PMWindiThe thing I don't like about this argument is that it can go the other way. Like, from my own experience so far, I always feel like I have to skip out on interesting things like lore bits or treasures located down extra paths because the rest of the party doesn't want to take that time to explore. That's hindering another play style in place for another in its own right.Quote:
Originally Posted by LalafellDown
They should go slower out of respect for their team members situation which may or may not be beyond their control? Like, just because I mentioned that I understand the other side of the situation doesn't mean I disagree with the OP's side here. In fact, I agree with it more than the other because there is never an excuse to resort to harassment in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by LalafellDown
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08-15-2016, 03:59 PMLalafellDownSame goes to the other two who wanted to be done faster, you come to a fight you're expected to be 100% out of respect to your fellow teammates. You cant come in a PUG dungeon and just half ass it no mater what situation you have on your hand. Family problems, baby crying, PC lagging, disconnecting every time, bathroom break or anything. If OP queued for A8S and said to take it slow she would of been kicked. Same thing applies to any team work event anywhere in life. If OP was out numbered we would of had another post about how 3 of the people in the group didn't want to take it slow in Palace of The Dead. Anyways, we're only getting OP's side of the story. Even if OP was running slower she would of still be able to pick up the adds and no conflict between the 2 would of occurred. Perhaps OP isn't telling us how she refused to pull or pick up the adds that the healer pulled? Which caused the outburst of the healer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Windi
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08-15-2016, 04:21 PMCoratanni
I am a mentor, as I want to help others. I am the kind of player who will take the entire time of the dungeon making sure newer players can get through the content. Outside of savage, i think I have a really good grasp on the majority of the content in this game. I try and simplify mechanics when possible, explain where mechanics can be avoided, and be supportive to other players.
What I don't like, is people trying to tell me I am wrong, and they dont have 1/4 of the level 60 classes that I have, and clearly do not have anywhere near the experience I have put into this game. You don't NEED to Limit break the tear in Chyrsalis. If the main tank on last boss of WC can turn the boss when her hair turns to blades, it can save a good number of people from dying in the raid. These are real mechanics, yet I have people tell me I am wrong and argue with me. I offer my advice, as a way for others to grow. But many players don't care to grow, or learn alternate ways of doing content other than how 1 person shown them. And they are rude about it.
I'm sorry you had a bad Mentor in your party OP. Patience is something that should be a requirement with anyone who wears a crown next to their name. If someone is on a slower computer, or has distractions, going at a slower pace, will make the duty go a lot more smoothly. I would have been fine with your pace had I been there instead. -
08-15-2016, 05:21 PMCipher_Zaabiz
@shape: the one talking crap is you, I just wanted to share my own story, so that people knew, that mentors can be harassed as well, because they don't rush trough the dungeon due to a careful playstyle. That's all there is to tell about it. If you have another opinion on that, feel free to keep it on yourself if you end up insulting others with that.
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08-15-2016, 05:31 PMshape
then you worded your thread poorly sigh
Your lines of text would have made your point if you had 1st addressed the main issue posted on the first box of this thread,
without this your post comes across as self entitled.
Yes your a mentor great, if you are getting flack for not having a fast enough pace and you are able to and the party wants it then why would you not accommodate that? I would give myself crap for that.
If you pull rank to force a slower pace for the 1 new guy then yes this is correct but you have not expanded on any of your points.
lets forget the 2 players where mentors would you think any differently, myself maybe a little but i'm still fed up of crap like this happening in game in general.
If you are getting flack have you thought maybe its also your play-style.
Also just asked a mentor can you turn off the mentor icon, guess what you can, so why did you leave it on
If i go in and leave my mentor icon on when leveling a DD job then I deserve the big target painted on my back for not playing the role at high level of play.
Yes I looked up your char you have all 60's but how many of them are your mains tank does not sound like one.
Of course Mentors are going to get harassed so do all players.
A BLM died 9 times in the final steps of faith and was told to uninstall and go kill himself, then the guy left
We did end up disbanding but the few of us also tried to help the BLM and address what issues he was having.
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08-15-2016, 05:56 PMCrazyBelgianI will make you know I did pull all the adds of the healer if I arrived at the spot... I was just telling we started to get the harassment of the mentor before we even started the first boss and then she kicked me out and started against my friend who was still in the dungeon still not doing the first boss... And I sat next to my friend in his room, so I saw the full chat.Quote:
Originally Posted by LalafellDown
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08-15-2016, 06:37 PMAlaltus
Duty Finder has no consequences so you get people who behave like this even as mentors. Players would slow down to do the chests if the chest gave something worth opening for. Like if opening all chests in a dungeon rewarded a chunk of ESOs or something. Some people would still want to rush through though.
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08-15-2016, 11:24 PMCanadane
That story doesn't sound like a mentor problem.
That just sounds like a jerk who happens to also have been a mentor.