Anyone disappointed with the PotD weapon?

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Spell Speed increase DoT damage FYI

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But, not as much as the other offensive secondary stats. It's just no longer utterly irrelevant to DoT damage—it's merely the least effective bonus.

Its main advantage, as scaling increases, is in fitting more GCDs into your buff / debuff (including DoT) windows. The sad thing is that DoTs, unlike vulnerability debuffs, are already typically your strongest skills, so increasing the percentage of lesser potency-per-execute skills gives little advantage. As such, Speed will always favor jobs with significantly extendable buff/debuff windows (think fitting in an extra cycle within a Dragon Kick or Twin Snakes) and minimal AA damage, oGCD damage, and per-execute range in rotational skills. DoTs do not scale nearly as well unless they would otherwise be incapable of perfect uptime without breaking combos (and then, only to the point that perfects such), and oGCDs and AAs gain no damage from Speed.

It also reduces percent remaining GCD (after Huton, Greased Lightning, etc.) linearly, or without recalculating based on itself, such that by the time you reach around a 2.0 GCD, down from 2.5, the same 25 Speed can reduce the GCD (at .01 seconds) by .5%, up from .4%. In other words, though its effect per point is linear, its weight is exponential, even if most of that potential is out of reach (some 1600 Speed to reach 2.0).

SE screwed the pooch on secondary stats. Everything is immensely shallow. Without a big overhaul of secondary stats, they can't fix it.

for WHM, PotD weapon has Crit and Det. Upgraded lore weapon has piety and spell speed.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

My points about the BLM and SMN weapons still stand, and those are my main jobs. Right now if I "upgrade" to the PotD BLM weapon, I'm giving up 102 Spell Speed, and anyone who truly knows BLM understands how even a fraction of a second shaved off your cast time can mean the difference between dodging an attack and dying to it, or getting that refresh on Enochian just in time.

Now I'm working my way towards the lore weapon. I refuse to do the relic because I have better things to spend my free time and money on. Savage would be nice, if I could find a static that can run at an acceptable hour for me, which is difficult since I'm in an inconvenient timezone. Nidhogg EX? I'll get back to you on that, once I've found people who aren't going to rage-quit at the slightest inconvenience to them.

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If you have issues to kill Nidhogg in PF then make a group with your friends and FC and if this doesn't work then just do the relic. On the last patch for some classes where the lore weapon the best one for others only the relic (if we keep savage on the side), stuff like this is normal in FF and there is no reason to complain about it.

Estellios you are right but it doesn't do that in the same amount as the other secondarys and because of that reason it is not worth especially not for classes who burn their tp very fast anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

If you have issues to kill Nidhogg in PF then make a group with your friends and FC and if this doesn't work then just do the relic. On the last patch for some classes where the lore weapon the best one for others only the relic (if we keep savage on the side), stuff like this is normal in FF and there is no reason to complain about it.

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First of all, if I had enough friends and FC members to fill a group for Nidhogg EX, why would I even bother with PF in the first place? And maybe I need to make this clear, but not everyone has the time or the inclination to go do all the frankly asinine requirements for the relic. Just because something is "normal" doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about it.

But this is off the original point of my post, which was to say that a lot of the weapons for PotD, mainly BLM and SMN, have secondary stats that are far less useful to the job that equips them, while others have appropriate, useful secondary stats. Why is the reward for running PotD not equally good for all jobs? What kind of sense does this make?

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

First of all, if I had enough friends and FC members to fill a group for Nidhogg EX, why would I even bother with PF in the first place? And maybe I need to make this clear, but not everyone has the time or the inclination to go do all the frankly asinine requirements for the relic. Just because something is "normal" doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about it.

But this is off the original point of my post, which was to say that a lot of the weapons for PotD, mainly BLM and SMN, have secondary stats that are far less useful to the job that equips them, while others have appropriate, useful secondary stats. Why is the reward for running PotD not equally good for all jobs? What kind of sense does this make?

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It makes no sense to discuss with you any further since you just keep complaining instead of seeing it in another angle. You are not satisfied, that you don't get the weapon that you want easy peasy, i wish SE wouldn't have put any weapons in there at all.

I like it. I have all jobs at 60 and my static is still working on Nidd ex. So (since I've been bored with the game lately) it's something to do that you don't need 7 other people to work with. It's easy, sure it's repetitive, but so is fate grinding and hunts. You get decent eso from it so you can still work towards your relic. And i get weapons for jobs that I'm not going to get from Nidd or relic. So what if the secondary stats aren't what you want. You said you don't raid, why do you care so much. You can meld spell speed. And use spell speed food. There are ways.

Relic this, relic that. Funny how the BLM relic doesn't even have spell speed, which is just one more reason why I will never touch that quest.

There is nothing easy about getting the PotD weapon. There is nothing difficult about it either. It's all down to RNG whether or not you get it in 1 run or 200. When you tie something like progression and acquisition to RNG this tightly, it becomes nothing more than a tedious, time-consuming slog. Which is tragic, really. PotD has some good ideas behind it. Too bad it's all ruined by the RNG aspects, implemented to artificially pad out the amount of time you have to spend in there, for any sort of decent reward whatsoever.

Is it really so much to ask for content, dungeons and bosses that is fun to do, that has actual replay value, as opposed to being boring grindfests? I don't judge games and gameplay by whether or not they're easy or difficult, I judge them by whether or not they're fun to play. Being forced to do the same things over and over like a robot, just because RNGesus decided to shit on you, is the exact opposite of fun, and involves no skill whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

First of all, if I had enough friends and FC members to fill a group for Nidhogg EX, why would I even bother with PF in the first place? And maybe I need to make this clear, but not everyone has the time or the inclination to go do all the frankly asinine requirements for the relic. Just because something is "normal" doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about it.

But this is off the original point of my post, which was to say that a lot of the weapons for PotD, mainly BLM and SMN, have secondary stats that are far less useful to the job that equips them, while others have appropriate, useful secondary stats. Why is the reward for running PotD not equally good for all jobs? What kind of sense does this make?

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Shouldn't this complaint be aimed at the general idea that the best non-relic weapon (or any other piece of gear) within a given ilvl NEVER comes from the same place for every job?
Or that secondary stat weights are so imbalanced in the first place?

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Relic this, relic that. Funny how the BLM relic doesn't even have spell speed, which is just one more reason why I will never touch that quest.

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You can eventually put whatever secondary stats you want on it.

That said, I have no interest in doing my relic beyond the little progress I'd normally feel like making either, so I can understand if that still doesn't seem an option to you. Many of the step requirements do indeed seem asinine.

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

I like it. I have all jobs at 60 and my static is still working on Nidd ex. So (since I've been bored with the game lately) it's something to do that you don't need 7 other people to work with. It's easy, sure it's repetitive, but so is fate grinding and hunts. You get decent eso from it so you can still work towards your relic. And i get weapons for jobs that I'm not going to get from Nidd or relic. So what if the secondary stats aren't what you want. You said you don't raid, why do you care so much. You can meld spell speed. And use spell speed food. There are ways.

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The problem is that people always want BiS gear even if they'll never raid and of couse for as little effort as possible. ;)