Aero useless for 60 Ast?

In my point of view, Aero is only weak when you're fighting 24 man raids because it's a 'missable' dot and that the boss usually has a full stack of dots so it won't connect...

But the fact that it's instant and has an upfront hit is nice for mechanics such as pushing barrels in Hullbreaker's Hard. It's also affected by SpellSpeed, so if you have a high stat, it can overcome Malefic 2 overall.

Aero is useful and is better the alternative.

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Originally Posted by Roxas_Andrade

In my point of view, Aero is only weak when you're fighting 24 man raids because it's a 'missable' dot and that the boss usually has a full stack of dots so it won't connect...

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Oh this actually is kind of important to note, but as far as I know, the fact that DoTs and other stats sometimes don't appear on a boss HP bard is not because the effect doesn't connect, but it's a bug that makes the game not show everything. So even if you don't see Aero up there, it's there. Good luck knowing when to refresh it, though.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

The whole Spell speed increasing Aero damage is hardly a reason to use Aero by itself - Not like it is much in the first place, if any difference at all. Using Aero to weave oGCDs or as MP conserver, however, is a whole different story. You can weave in Aero with Draw or other card abilities without losing GCD time. Which in turn would result into a GCD efficiency increase and thus also a HPS/DPS increase

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This is THE answer.

Not like you really have any other option for that last cross class slot.

What else is there? Blizzard 2? Surecast? You won't need those. :p

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Not like you really have any other option for that last cross class slot.

What else is there? Blizzard 2? Surecast? You won't need those. :p

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Blizzard II is actually pretty good in certain instances. I've occasionally cut Swiftcast for it before.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

Blizzard II is actually pretty good in certain instances. I've occasionally cut Swiftcast for it before.

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Okay I've definitely heard of instances where Blizzard II is good, but cutting Swiftcast? Lol what? :D

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Okay I've definitely heard of instances where Blizzard II is good, but cutting Swiftcast? Lol what? :D

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If you are in a dungeon where you already know when and how to precast Shadowflare...you don't really need swiftcast.

I mean what else are you going to use Swiftcast for if you aren't running with idiots.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

If you are in a dungeon where you already know when and how to precast Shadowflare...you don't really need swiftcast.

I mean what else are you going to use Swiftcast for if you aren't running with idiots.

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We are talking about AST here. AST doesnt have shadowflare. It also has better use of swiftcast than blizzard II due to Gravity, high mana regeneration and an actual use of swiftcast during pulls. Blizzard II on AST is not needed.

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

At 900+ spellspeed it has a higher potency than stone III (according to a thread on the forums). As Malefic II potency is 200, i would imagine the spellspeed break for 200+ potency on aero is lower than 900.

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That may give it more per-execute damage than the direct damage fillers, but it doesn't change its comparative dps whatsoever. You're just now playing at a BLM rate on a finite-mana job. Determination still does at least as much for DoTs, iirc, and Critical more, than Skill Speed.

The benefit of Aero is simply that it's an instant cast. It's mobile, it's weave-able. It being equal in potency to Malefic II at a lesser mana cost is just the faintest bonus.

Edit: Sorry about the repetition there, I meant only to point out that the priorities seemed a bit swapped.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

That may give it more per-execute damage than the direct damage fillers, but it doesn't change its comparative dps whatsoever. You're just now playing at a BLM rate on a finite-mana job. Determination still does at least as much for DoTs, iirc, and Critical more, than Skill Speed.

The benefit of Aero is simply that it's an instant cast. It's mobile, it's weave-able. It being equal in potency to Malefic II at a lesser mana cost is just the faintest bonus.

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Some healers like to stack spellspeed. Its a bonus to the damage if they do. Esp on AST where it has two very powerful dots in combust and combust II which will also benefit from spellspeed. Det is widly lambasted in the healing community due to it poor scaling with heals. Crit is a love or hate thing on main healers where consistency in healing is looked upon favourably. Ergo i am talking about spellspeed in regards to aero. Please be aware we are talking about healers here, not dps. So in this regard the choices of which stats healers prefer to stack need to be taken into account. BLM and its style of play has nothing to do with this discussion, even as a analogy, as that is quite clearly not comparable to what i have said. Healers who stack speelspeed do so due to responsivness in heals when damage goes out, BLM stack spellspeed to gain more casts throughout a fight as they are not tied to a finite resourse.

Further more, the very first line of my reply was about it being instant cast. So yeah..............