Vote Kick penalty

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Originally Posted by Gabrielleblanc

Like I said we need a solution for two problems rather than just the one. Because if you don't kick people when they request it they bomb the run or refuse to do anything until you kick them.

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The solution for that is to report them for refusing to continue their duty, then it depends if you want to sit out for whatever long it takes a GM to reply, once they do the offending player is removed from the duty and put in the GM jail.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

If they want to leave, why don't just kick them?

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If they want to leave they should leave.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

The solution for that is to report them for refusing to continue their duty, then it depends if you want to sit out for whatever long it takes a GM to reply, once they do the offending player is removed from the duty and put in the GM jail.

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I have done that, several times, but most groups would rather disband than wait around.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

If they want to leave, why don't just kick them?

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Why should I waste my vote kick cooldown on someone that has the ability to leave on their own free will?

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Originally Posted by Selsix

Agreed, sick of people asking for a "courtesy kick" in places like Mhach or Primal Fights so they don't get the 30 minute penalty. And when you refuse, they just do nothing so you HAVE to kick them, it's ridiculous. People kicked from groups should get the 30 minute penalty same as those that leave of their own accord.

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They ask for the votekick.
You say no.
They ask why.
You say that you won't waste your votekick for someone who wants to avoid the penalty.
They say that it doesn't cost you anything and that you should do it.
You say no, again.
They start doing nothing and being a dead weight to your party.
You say that if they don't leave themselves or start doing something, you'll report them.

At that point, that person will either leave, argue again while still doing nothing, or start doing their job.
- If they leave: problem solved.
- If they argue again while still doing nothing: report them and try to continue without them. If you can't, kick is your only option, but at least that prick got reported.
- If they start doing their job: watch them closely to see if they're not just pretending. If they are, just don't say anything and kick them right at the very end, because you completly deserve that sweet revenge over that toxic and entitled player. If they truely started playing normally, problem solved.

Here's a scenario for you: BLM gets into a Level 60 dungeon while only just barely meeting the ilvl requirement to be there. He/She knows the BLM rotation, but is doing relatively low dps due to being undergeared, so the tank and healer (who wanted a sub-20m dungeon run) kick him/her for not doing enough DPS, even though he/she was doing good DPS for the ilvl. Yes, that happens. Situations like that are why there shouldn't be a penalty associated with a vote kick.

As for the situation with people asking to be kicked...Report them, then decide as a group after doing so whether to continue with the "dead slot", kick, or wait (yes, right in front of the jerk).

--Erim Nelhah

Uhm? Asking for a vote kick is a reportable offence under griefing tactics "refusal of participation". You are aware of that right? It has been since like 2.4

I should know.

Some turd reported me when I accidentally joined World of Darkness and asked for a courtesy kick (as a DPS) and I got a mark against my account for it.

No, because the people unfairly kicked will eat a penalty thet they don't deserve.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

If they want to leave, why don't just kick them?

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When you use Duty Roulette, you are signing up to complete whatever duty you are given. Otherwise, choose a specific dungeon and forgo the roulette benefit.

This issue is always divisive because the permutations of circumstance are varied. There is not single option that fits all situations.

I have asked for courtesy kicks due to RL reasons (small children). For those that say, I should just leave and take the penalty and attend to RL. My response is, yes I have but there are many RL situations that usually take 5-10 minutes to deal with, and you require me to eat an additional 20 minutes of penalty? That is not fair. I do the following put a brief message and in the chat stating the RL situation and go afk to attend. When I get back I sometimes have a time-out penalty, most of the time I have been kicked.

I have also been the receiver of vote kick abuse.
I have been in parties where vote kick abuse happened.

I would propose a one free duty abandon without penalty each day. This would satisfy players like myself that just have RL come up and get it in the way without being abused overly much by the community as a whole.