AST and Party Bonus Live Letter feedback.

Well, it would be best to have both the mnd and pie bonus with two and healers and should SE feel that Whm are falling behind or something based on their data collection, they can make whatever adjustments they need to in the upcoming patch/update just to keep everything line so would be best to just do both with two healers.

I think its fine to dump the selective MND/PIE bonus at this point. One healer is MND, second will bring PIE. Let raid parties sort out whom they want as the healer combo instead of the being pigeon holed.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Well, it's not like they haven't done something similar in the past. Remember when Summoners used to provide piety and their party benefit was changed to int? This was generally accepted by their caster spot competitors. I predict there'll be an overabundance of salt if SE does decide to change it.

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To be honest I'm not actually familiar with this change (and the resultant discussion). I imagine it happened early in the AAR life cycle? I ask because at that time I was more engrossed in AAR going "oooooo" and "aaaaaah" like a fresh bud and focusing on WHM more than ACN/SCH at this time.

Could you enlighten me? Consider myself curious about this, though I imagine it is exactly as you described it - ACN / SMN was originally giving PIE. S-E changed it. Much outcry, etc.

Before I go on my rambling, I really like the idea of AST being able to switch MND and PIE based on stance.
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The biggest thing I want to say I do not want PIE taken from SCH. I feel like people underestimate the power and benefit of PIE too often. Many jobs benefit for the PIE boost (All tanks, all the ranged, and all the healers) which makes it a more substantial contribution to the whole group than mind alone.

Most people don't care about these boosts minus end game raiders that like to min/max gear and push their stats and rotations to their absolutes. That being said, I see very few WHM/AST raid groups (not that they don't exist, but I just don't see the combo as often) and AST/SCH being a more popular combo causes stat redundancy in a party. AST has such a strong ability to be a main healer, it should bring the MND buff to the table.

What ever the changes may be, my biggest plea is that PIE not be removed as a bonus stat completely.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

To be honest I'm not actually familiar with this change (and the resultant discussion). I imagine it happened early in the AAR life cycle? I ask because at that time I was more engrossed in AAR going "oooooo" and "aaaaaah" like a fresh bud and focusing on WHM more than ACN/SCH at this time.

Could you enlighten me? Consider myself curious about this, though I imagine it is exactly as you described it - ACN / SMN was originally giving PIE. S-E changed it. Much outcry, etc.

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I actually have to retract that statement as I can't find any information regarded to it. If this was actually a thing, it dated back before or around world first titan hard mode clear.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

I actually have to retract that statement as I can't find any information regarded to it. If this was actually a thing, it dated back before or around world first titan hard mode clear.

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Hmmm, alright. My initial thought was maybe it was a Beta thing since I wasn't part of the XIV Beta.

Still, I can see how there would be outrage for a change like that. There's always going to some unsatisfied (and generally loud) section of players that dislike a change when it actually occurs.

There really wasn't an outrage. Some people whined, as is always the case when changes are made, but most people were relieved that SMN could finally provide its own stat bonus. It just felt like a logical change to people with active brain cells (especially because people were starting to catch up to the fact that everyone would eventually use a SCH in a full party setup anyway).

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Originally Posted by Kerrigen

There really wasn't an outrage. Some people whined, as is always the case when changes are made, but most people were relieved that SMN could finally provide its own stat bonus. It just felt like a logical change to people with active brain cells (especially because people were starting to catch up to the fact that everyone would eventually use a SCH in a full party setup anyway).

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I can believe that. Outrage was the wrong word to use. Complaints is probably the better choice in this case.

Still, you are correct. Change happens for good reason, someone feels they had their toes stepped on and then openly decides to complain about it despite the logical-ness of the decision.

The only thing I felt was overstretched is the "added difficulty in healing" comment when not bringing a WHM for MND bonus. It's not a game breaker, gear obviously helps but it really didn't prevent progression in Gordias or Midas Savage.

In b4 whms realize this is proshell all over again (after the fact.) As an SCH I'd love to get that sweet sweet mind bonus followed by piety if a second healer is present.