Is there something I can do about a corrupted FC?

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

He did that, because he knows that GM won't do anything. I saw a similar case long ago, not was my FC, but a friends one. The leader just kick everyone and sell the FC + house. Reported them. GM said that they won't interfer on personal issues between players.

It is a bit sad GMs have this politics about this. It wasn't a personal issue, it was a FC robbing. But, well, I don't know what are the GM limits.

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It is sad that people feel the need to be greedy little assholes. Curious, but what exactly do you expect GMs to do in this type of a situation? The leader locked the chest and was selling items out of it, which is completely within their right to do. It would get so incredibly ugly if GMs tried to sort out all these little squabbles and issues.

What if a FC agreed to have the leader sell off all the items in the FC so that they could use it towards <whatever item/goal>, and then they all turned on the leader and reported him saying that he sold off all the items and stole the money? Who do you believe? How much time should be wasted on something so trivial when there are bigger fish to fry?

FC Leader Make the LAW for the FC they are the leader and don't need to do anything for anyone else. SADLY this is the case.
Rule of thumb. In EVERY MMO.

Anything done in a GUILD/FC Is at your own risk, and there is risk of return, on your investment.
a few times I've dropped 1m gil and 99 coke... knowning very well I was never going to see or use that gil again...
1 year + later my wife and I got promoted. When the Leader left and 2nd in command took over.

I believe the best way to cleanse corruption is with an exorcism.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

He did that, because he knows that GM won't do anything. I saw a similar case long ago, not was my FC, but a friends one. The leader just kick everyone and sell the FC + house. Reported them. GM said that they won't interfer on personal issues between players (WTF).

It is a bit sad GMs have this politics about this. It wasn't a personal issue, it was a FC robbing. But, well, I don't know what are the GM limits.

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The GMs aren't there to make everything better and sand off all the sharp edges. They're there to prevent cheating and fix problems cause by game bugs. What the FC leader did was awful. It was also entirely within the game rules. He did nothing the game was supposed to prevent him from doing. It's up to other players to choose the right FC Leader to trust and how much they'll commit to the FC. That's as much part of the game as having a healer you can trust on a raid--that's what it means to be a multiplayer game. The GMs can't avoid having politics about this, because it's a political issue. No matter what course they choose, it'll be political. Not touching it is in fact the least political thing they can do.

When you turn over items/money to an FC bank, you're in effect willingly giving it to anyone that is able to take from that bank.

Them exercising their rights and permissions that was given to them by the FC is totally allowable. GM's cannot possibly make a 'moral' judgement in cases like these, they're way too subjective. That's why there's concrete rules, and don't allow for interpretation when it's possible to do so.

It's likely that nothing will be done about it. Your best bet is to cut your losses and move into a different, healthier environment. It only takes one person to screw over an entire group of people - and events such as this have been happening long before MMO's first came to be. My advice would be to never give another player anything unless you're willing to account for losing it. It's why I don't let people 'borrow' stuff unless I'm willing to part with it completely. Even the closest of friends can screw you over if they so choose - especially online when people can more easily fake being trustworthy.

Had a fc leader that kicked everyone out, took everything from fc chest, gave leadership to his alt and skipped servers.

When asked about it by several members, the reply was that is was '(fc leader)'s right to do so' and ' nothing we can do'.

So yeah.

I'd just cut my losses and leave. If it's a smaller FC, having fewer people around means the leader is going to have to grind points for ceruleum tanks on his own. Seems fitting since he's the one keeping every last bit of what comes out of the airships.

It's funny how people say the FC leader is law and there isn't anything the GMs can do. That's entirely false, if something falls under the pretense of harassment the GMs will look into the matter. We had a FC here back in 2.X that would early pull hunts, legitimately early, with just them there and announce the location AFTER they kill it, sit there and wait for players to show up, then brag about it and move on to the next hunt. Soon enough the GMs started hitting them with suspensions, the FC leader encouraged them to keep doing it under the idea that "people who don't raid don't deserve hunt upgrade items." After a bit they started to drop off and the GMs eased off a bit.

Those were dark times on Jenova, literally the entire server verses a single FC. Not something we should be proud of at all

Would be nice if the GM policy of not getting involved in personal disputes was reworked at some point as this isn't even a case of stealing from the chest and running, but a situation where an entire group were being led to believe they were working for the benefit of the whole group when they were actually working to line the pockets of the one person at the top. Unfortunately that's also how the real world works. You won't likely be able to get much out of the GM as a third person, so your friend or someone else involved will need to contact a GM. Best you can do is blist the leader, he doesn't sound like someone you'd want to play with anyway.