Lost House - Question

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

That's really nice of everyone and everyone's reply is why I think this game has such a great community.

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That's nice of you to say, but I'm not sure I would go that far. Like any community, there are good ones and there are bad ones. Just don't forget that it was this same community that decided your house should be taken in the first place, no matter what happens to you in real life.

If you felt like doing some reading on reclamation and how the community responded, here are a few links.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...E!!!-Thank-you!
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...NOT-a-solution.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sing-announced

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Originally Posted by Neira

That's nice of you to say, but I'm not sure I would go that far. Like any community, there are good ones and there are bad ones. Just don't forget that it was this same community that decided your house should be taken in the first place, no matter what happens to you in real life.

If you felt like doing some reading on reclamation and how the community responded, here are a few links.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...E!!!-Thank-you!
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...NOT-a-solution.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sing-announced

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I really don't think it was necessary to try to rile up the OP by pointing out that players (yes even myself) agreed with Housing reclaim. It comes off like starting a witch hunt. Just because some of us agree with the process doesn't mean we can't empathize.

Your post implies that anyone who might have agreed with the reclamation system is a "bad" part of the community; which is simply not the case.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

I really don't think it was necessary to try to rile up the OP by pointing out that players (yes even myself) agreed with Housing reclaim. It comes off like starting a witch hunt. Just because some of us agree with the process doesn't mean we can't empathize.

Your post implies that anyone who might have agreed with the reclamation system is a "bad" part of the community; which is simply not the case.

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"Your house should be taken away."
"Oh, I'm sorry your house was taken away."

You can keep your damn empathy.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

"Your house should be taken away." "Those of us that agree with housing reclamation realize that the current housing model is a finite resource (for numerous factors that some don't agree with) that many players are wanting to take advantage of, so we understand the current necessity of recycling properties from inactive to active users."

You can keep your damn empathy.

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I fixed it for you.

My original point still stands. This shouldn't be turned into a witch hunt against players who agree with Housing Reclamation, nor should we be considered a "bad" part of the community for those views.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

I fixed it for you.

My original point still stands. This shouldn't be turned into a witch hunt against players who agree with Housing Reclamation, nor should we be considered a "bad" part of the community for those views.

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Most people against it were arguing that the timer was far too short; they still would have supported a longer reclamation timer. I do think that anyone who agrees with this current system is supporting a very bad system that hurts players, and therefore detrimental to the community.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Most people against it were arguing that the timer was far too short; they still would have supported a longer reclamation timer.

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While I personally wouldn't mind if the decay timer was extended a bit I don't necessarily think that it's too short. That being said I do think that the item reclaim period should be longer than it currently is so that in the event that a house is demolished the items will still be accessible for a longer length of time.

The purpose of my initial quoting of Neira wasn't to drag the for vs. against argument into this thread. It was to point out that we don't need to start a glorified witch hunt against players that agreed with housing reclamation, nor do we need to imply that they are bad players because their views are different from those who were against it.

Up to page 1 this was such a nice thread....

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Most people against it were arguing that the timer was far too short; they still would have supported a longer reclamation timer. I do think that anyone who agrees with this current system is supporting a very bad system that hurts players, and therefore detrimental to the community.

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The timer is always going to be too short for someone - someone will always show up just after their property is reclaimed.

Just 2 and a half months after the first "Free Login" period we're now having a second one. Between the frequency of that event and the reasonable 45 day timer, it's really difficult to lose a property unless you're just not paying attention to this game anymore - and those are the types of people property should be reclaimed from. Now, I personally feel that there should be more than enough property for every player on the server, but that's not how it works and housing reclamation is one way of making that ugly flaw easier to put up with.

The original poster received advanced notice in December, and that was the same month we had the first "Free Login" event. It would have been simple for him to set three minutes aside to login, walk in his house, and log off. The issue for him was that financial woes made it impossible for him to subscribe to WTFast, and he can't log into the game without it - that's a pretty specific combination of problems, one I doubt most will have as a hurdle in keeping their virtual homes. He also lives in California and shouldn't need WTFast just to connect to the FFXIV servers, and that's what ultimately bit him in the rear - a problem that has nothing to do with housing reclamation and a technical issue that he probably should have resolved long ago (rather than relied on WTFast).

As for placing a limit on how long the Resident Caretaker holds reclaimed furniture - that's on Square. I really doubt any player suggested placing a time-limit on furniture storage. Rather, that's SE's way of encouraging people to sub-up. Still, you're looking at 45 days before someone loses the property, and then an additional 35 days before they lose the furniture.. a total of 80 days to take a moment to load FFXIV up is pretty generous, especially when they're throwing in "Free Login" periods every 75 days.

Ummm ok page 2 is starting to look bad.... To the OP, maybe if you have a friend with a house you could be their tenant you can still get the benefits of a house depending on what they allow you to do.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

The original poster received advanced notice in December, and that was the same month we had the first "Free Login" event. It would have been simple for him to set three minutes aside to login, walk in his house, and log off. The issue for him was that financial woes made it impossible for him to subscribe to WTFast, and he can't log into the game without it - that's a pretty specific combination of problems, one I doubt most will have as a hurdle in keeping their virtual homes. He also lives in California and shouldn't need WTFast just to connect to the FFXIV servers, and that's what ultimately bit him in the rear - a problem that has nothing to do with housing reclamation and a technical issue that he probably should have resolved long ago (rather than relied on WTFast).

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Still would have lost his house, as I did. Thankfully, my personal house was only a small house; my large is an FC house that I asked a friend to take care of for me with an alt. Had my large been the one I lost, I probably wouldn't have had much desire to return.

45 days away from the game is not very long, and is still within the realm of someone who intends to continue playing the game. A longer timer would still clear out houses from those who don't intend to play anymore.