Warrior Assitance.

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Originally Posted by Sarcatica

But aren't you able to use 2 berserks in 2:30? Why not cram in more instead of saving?

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Possibly to sync with your group's buffs (DRG NIN MCH etc).

It's also largely pointless to use CDs on the Fausts unless you need to, better to align them with TA + BL + Foes/whatever as well as your pot.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

It's also largely pointless to use CDs on the Fausts unless you need to, better to align them with TA + BL + Foes/whatever as well as your pot.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

Possibly to sync with your group's buffs (DRG NIN MCH etc).

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Examined all the logs from the highest DPS WARs, 2 Berserks are better for sure. You rather miss that guaranteed +50% damage for 30secs that can be used TWICE in a fight? Those high DPS results in less total time in general. Lining up Berserks with whatever other buffs is quite pointless IMO. Unless if someone breaks it down how 1 Berserk can trounce 2, I won't easily believe opinions/possibilities that aren't backed up by hard maths.

Note: 900 DPS vs 1.2-1.3k DPS. I wonder which one is better...

Obviously you'll end up with overall higher DPS by using 2 Berserks, the point is that the 2 sets are different DPS checks - the first is easy to meet, the latter... well, to some it isn't. So obviously saving your buffs for that and treating it as the start of the fight instead of the 2 Fausts makes it easier to meet the check. If you can't meet the initial 2x Faust check you need to look into what buffs you can afford to use, while saving the more powerful ones for Hummel. If you just want to parse high by the end, then yeah, double Berserk go 4 it.

Also for maximum fluff you can Berserk double Decimate by doing a pre-Infuriate + RI pull. ( ' - '

e: A good way to look at it is this: imagine there's an add that spawns before the boss spawns that you have to deal with. He is on a seperate DPS check timer than the boss and has a pretty lenient DPS check himself, not really requiring any buffs. So, say you blow Berserk on him - now what essentially happens is when the boss drops, you don't have Berserk, and you have to use it later when it's back up - not aligning with TA, BL, your pot, etc. You are essentially going into a boss fight and not using Berserk in your opener. Does that sound like a good idea?

If your team has no problem at all clearing the big faust dps check, by all means go ahead and use berserk twice for higher parse numbers. Otherwise better line up cds to clear the big faust.

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Originally Posted by Sarcatica

You can tank in sword oath at the start without having shadewalker and aggro ripped.

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I was trying this out on a dummy with some friends, but I just quite frankly don't see how it's possible. Do Shield Swipe procs really make such a difference? Because I was barely able to keep up with the DPS, losing hate several times, even when totally dropping RA and just using RoH while trying to get GB in. With Shadewalker it's doable but without? Just seems very inefficient compared to WAR pulling in tank stance for hate lead.

For Fausts specifically it might be possible if DPS spread their damage on both targets, but in general Sword pulling seems very impractical.

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Originally Posted by Sarcatica

Examined all the logs from the highest DPS WARs, 2 Berserks are better for sure. You rather miss that guaranteed +50% damage for 30secs that can be used TWICE in a fight? Those high DPS results in less total time in general. Lining up Berserks with whatever other buffs is quite pointless IMO. Unless if someone breaks it down how 1 Berserk can trounce 2, I won't easily believe opinions/possibilities that aren't backed up by hard maths.

Note: 900 DPS vs 1.2-1.3k DPS. I wonder which one is better...

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The point is if you use Berserk in your opener on double Fausts, you will not be able to use it on Hummel until after the TA / BL / stacked buff window. So, you will have less overall DPS on Hummel.

For some groups, that's a make or break difference. Even if your group has no issues with Hummel, all you are doing is padding your DPS by double Berserking. It's like using Decimate instead of FC on A1S Faust. You're just being a jack ass to look better on fflogs.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

I was trying this out on a dummy with some friends, but I just quite frankly don't see how it's possible. Do Shield Swipe procs really make such a difference? Because I was barely able to keep up with the DPS, losing hate several times, even when totally dropping RA and just using RoH while trying to get GB in. With Shadewalker it's doable but without? Just seems very inefficient compared to WAR pulling in tank stance for hate lead.

For Fausts specifically it might be possible if DPS spread their damage on both targets, but in general Sword pulling seems very impractical.

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You can check my log and see if there is any difference at all. The DPS were creeping up real quick but as long as you drop RA for RoH, there shouldn't be a problem provided if you don't save FoF for Hummelfaust specifically.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

The point is if you use Berserk in your opener on double Fausts, you will not be able to use it on Hummel until after the TA / BL / stacked buff window. So, you will have less overall DPS on Hummel.

For some groups, that's a make or break difference. Even if your group has no issues with Hummel, all you are doing is padding your DPS by double Berserking. It's like using Decimate instead of FC on A1S Faust. You're just being a jack ass to look better on fflogs.

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So poor and low DPS gets the pass? This is why most people can't pass Hummelfaust. Perhaps going back to check how to do their rotation is too hard? Sick of people defending poor DPS in any way possible. There is 100% no problem with the design, and there are a lot of flaws when DPS aspiring to raid does less than 1.3k DPS in Hummelfaust (yeah, standing still and dps is so hard bro). Period. Defend those players all you want, but you bring DPS classes because you need their DPS, right?

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Originally Posted by Sarcatica

So poor and low DPS gets the pass? This is why most people can't pass Hummelfaust.

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I think you're either misunderstanding, or genuinely trolling. On the off chance it's the former:

2x Faust = ezpz DPS check, very low HP on both, very forgiving enrage timer
Hummel = Not the hardest DPS check in the world, but significantly tighter than the Fausts

Both are on seperate enrage timers, if you beat 2x Faust at the last second before their enrage you'll still have the exact same amount of time on Hummel you would have if you beat 2x Fausts in say 10 seconds. So burning the Fausts asap is pointless, it doesn't actually do anything except make your numbers go up. If your group can comfortably meet the DPS check while you pad your numbers, then go for it, but you're literally contributing less by doing that. Your numbers go up, that's all. Literally, as Brian said, you are being the guy who Decimates on A1S Faust.