Raid 24 and incredible bad choice for the additional loot.

There needs to be more incentive for veteran players to run CT/ST/WoD. Maybe a weekly reward of 60 Tomes of Lore? Whatever is decided upon, if we could be afforded the luxury of being given better incentive to run the tower raids, I think it would go a long way towards helping new players to be able to complete the tower raids for MSQ progression as well as help new players and veteran players to be able to acquire the gear and rewards that they would like to acquire from those raids.

My proposal would be that the weekly reward for completing a tower run would be:

• 20 Tomes of Lore
• 40 Tomes of Esoterics
• 100 Allied Seals
• 100 Tomes of Poetics
• 100 Centurio Seals

I think this would be a fair reward that might provide incentive for people to run the tower raids at least once a week and help to improve queue times to revive this old content. What does anyone else think?

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

They need to chop up the old towers into individual bosses and put them in trial 24 man roulette.

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i fixed it a bit

My only problem with a roulette, which I also considered as being a great way to revive the tower raids, would be that you may end up getting the same tower multiple times. Not sure if a roulette would work so well because of that. :\

Maybe edit the Gift of Archimagus repeatable quest to make it give us one unidentifiable item for the relic quest of our choice, and change it to be done once a day, instead of once a week. Boom, lots of people running 24 man every day.

But, that still won't solve the Orchestrion rolls problem. If it was a guaranteed drop AND it only dropped for your party, instead of the whole alliance, it would still take a while to get (just look at normal Alexander with people needing all the items) all 3 and people would still roll for the chance of making money. Hells, even if it wasn't a 100% drop chance, it would be much more fair if you didn't have to roll with the whole alliance.

Speaking of, I did Void Ark the other day, and I noticed that the Echidna Card is now an alliance item, free to roll. Thankfully I already got mine ages ago, but, good luck for those that still need it lmao.

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Originally Posted by Koujiro

But, that still won't solve the Orchestrion rolls problem. If it was a guaranteed drop AND it only dropped for your party, instead of the whole alliance, it would still take a while to get (just look at normal Alexander with people needing all the items) all 3 and people would still roll for the chance of making money. Hells, even if it wasn't a 100% drop chance, it would be much more fair if you didn't have to roll with the whole alliance.

Speaking of, I did Void Ark the other day, and I noticed that the Echidna Card is now an alliance item, free to roll. Thankfully I already got mine ages ago, but, good luck for those that still need it lmao.

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You actually only roll against your party for the Orchestrion Roll and not against the whole alliance. Echidna Card is party roll as well if I remember correctly.

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Originally Posted by Felis

i fixed it a bit

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24-man raids take far longer than any other roulette, and have a much higher chance of breaking apart mid-run due to an enormous variety of factors. What type of daily bonus could they possibly put in that would make that time requirement appealing? They wouldn't make it more rewarding than expert dungeons in terms of tomes, because that would completely invalidate the purpose of adding new dungeons each patch.

No one runs 24 mans because they are long, unpredictable, and the time investment (not just for the queue) balances poorly with the odds of getting the minion or glamour you want off a boss. None of these factors would change with the addition of a 24-man roulette, so they would remain as dead as they are.

Chopping them up and putting them into trial roulette, although disappointing, is the only way to make sure that a person who wants to fight a certain boss will be able to do so repeatedly with a reasonable waiting time. As they are now, they are essentially 4 trial roulettes + trash, back to back to back to back. People don't have time or patience for that, thus they are dead.

Can we get more posts in here to possibly get us a community mod response? If this thread doesn't get enough attention our suggestions will never be passed on to the dev team. :\

Again:

My proposal would be that the weekly reward for completing a tower run would be:

• 20 Tomes of Lore
• 40 Tomes of Esoterics
• 100 Allied Seals
• 100 Tomes of Poetics
• 100 Centurio Seals

Would you run the tower raids if those were your rewards aside from any gear you may get?

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

24-man raids take far longer than any other roulette, and have a much higher chance of breaking apart mid-run due to an enormous variety of factors. What type of daily bonus could they possibly put in that would make that time requirement appealing?

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I'd do it for a bunch of XP. They added XP to the mobs, so I'd be leveling all my 50-60 dudes every day in there.

Because, in addition, I like the place.

Some people won't want to do it. Cool. That's fine. I don't really do EX roulette because I get my highest end tomestones elsewhere, and there's just not a lot of reason for me to go in there. Just because me, and a bunch of others don't want to do it, doesn't mean that others won't.

But a 24-man raid roulette would be done by many people, including me. And it would be great.

Did a ST run with my lvl 55 whm last night, they didn't actually add exp to the mobs, but you get exp for clearing the tower itself. Got a 5% exp at lvl 55... beats nothing I guess.

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Originally Posted by Zhao_Yun

You actually only roll against your party for the Orchestrion Roll and not against the whole alliance. Echidna Card is party roll as well if I remember correctly.

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Echidna card is definitely alliance. Had 9 different rolls on it last run.