Dark Knight changes needed

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Originally Posted by Aaliyahrose

Why would DRK even need this change?
Their DPS is fine the way it is.
Also Dark Arts mana cost shouldn't be reduced (its DRK for a reason) since you can get all your mana back instantly with the abilities given to you already.
DRK utility revolves around mana usage.

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It could use a bit of party utility to help when it's OT, but agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Syzygian

This made me lol.

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I soooo wanted to catch you before you posted, but damn, wasn't fast enough ^^

Can't DRK still put out more damage in MT stance than PLD even after the buff to Shield Oath? Doing what OP suggests would, once again, kick Paladins in the nuts and put us all back in 3.0-3.1 q-q

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Originally Posted by Aaliyahrose

Why would DRK even need this change?
Their DPS is fine the way it is.
Also Dark Arts mana cost shouldn't be reduced (its DRK for a reason) since you can get all your mana back instantly with the abilities given to you already.
DRK utility revolves around mana usage.
DRK in every FF game has had to sacrafice a lot of something in order to compensate.
No changes are necessary.

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Their DPS is actually a bit low in my opinion. People comparing DPS numbers of PLD/DRK were comparing Shield Oath vs Darkside (no Grit.)

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Their DPS is actually a bit low in my opinion. People comparing DPS numbers of PLD/DRK were comparing Shield Oath vs Darkside (no Grit.)

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But even with ShO and Grit+Darkside, with so many other oGCD abilities that DRK have, not to mention scourge is awesome, DRK DPS is still quite high. Granted with PLD new potency changes they maybe getting up there, but DRK has quite the burst potental. I don't think there is even a need to touch DRK right now, least in the DPS department, even as MT.

Let DRK dual-wield great swords. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Let DRK dual-wield great swords. Problem solved.

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only if PLD can dual wield shields, and they lose all skills except for shield bash.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

(Don't see why Paladin's get a better version of this skill.)

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followed by your next line which is quite a big part of why grit should stay @ 20% damage down.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Their DPS is actually a bit low in my opinion. People comparing DPS numbers of PLD/DRK were comparing Shield Oath vs Darkside (no Grit.)

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I like to think that I am a someone with considerable level of tolerance and would prefer to treat people with respect despite some past mishaps.

But at this point I'm quite sure you're just trolling for the sake of some personal gratification. Literally providing nothing to the discussion other than a heavily misinformed bias with no clear sign of change despite numerous attempts to reason with.

I was under the impression that we were under an 8% reduction in damage output with Grit and Darkside up. WAR is sitting at an 15% reduction in damage output with Defiance and Maim up, in line with PLD's adjusted Shield Oath. I suspect that this difference is because of our lack of a Fight or Flight or Internal Release/Berserk/Unchained equivalent in Grit.