When will we get info on class changes?

all this talk "soon after 1.19" its all subjective. what you consider to be soon might not be the same as some1 else. i guess we will hear from them when their good and ready. we can wish for them to rush. but if they rush we will only complain its a rubbish job. they said they want our feedback. and from what i have seen they seem to be doing what they say, so let them ask for our feedback when they are ready.

P.S. they have recently put up a sticky thread for "ask the producer, live letter" so the must getting gearing up for this sooner rather than later

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Originally Posted by grandm

all this talk "soon after 1.19" its all subjective. what you consider to be soon might not be the same as some1 else. i guess we will hear from them when their good and ready. we can wish for them to rush. but if they rush we will only complain its a rubbish job. they said they want our feedback. and from what i have seen they seem to be doing what they say, so let them ask for our feedback when they are ready.

P.S. they have recently put up a sticky thread for "ask the producer, live letter" so the must getting gearing up for this sooner rather than later

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You're correct, time is relative and the perception thereof is entirely subjective.

But still, there's a line when something no longer is in the range of "soon." in this specific case they said they would release the information early enough to receive and consider player feedback. As of mid November, player feedback won't really matter.

While patches can usually be pushed back, 1.20 comes with the preassured of being released soon enough that players have a chance to try it before billing starts. So mid November seems somewhat late for thei two weeks of QA if they're shooting for an early December release.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

You're correct, time is relative and the perception thereof is entirely subjective.

But still, there's a line when something no longer is in the range of "soon." in this specific case they said they would release the information early enough to receive and consider player feedback. As of mid November, player feedback won't really matter.

While patches can usually be pushed back, 1.20 comes with the preassured of being released soon enough that players have a chance to try it before billing starts. So mid November seems somewhat late for thei two weeks of QA if they're shooting for an early December release.

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all i am saying is as much as i want them to hurry and would love to play next patch. i'm quite happy to wait if that means for a better product

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Originally Posted by grandm

all i am saying is as much as i want them to hurry and would love to play next patch. i'm quite happy to wait if that means for a better product

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I don't think you quite follow what I'm getting at. I'm not asking them to rush out 1.20. Here's the quote from Yoshi I'm referencing: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...495#post292495

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Alongside the overhaul to the algorithms, work is also proceeding on redefining and redistributing abilities for Disciples of War and Magic. This is a hefty amount of work, and not all classes will be ready by patch 1.19. But rather than a partial release, we’ve decided to save the implementation of all classes for 1.20. We’ll make the details of the planned changes available when 1.19 goes live, and monitor player feedback as a way to help define our direction. In the meantime, we’ll keep on performing balance tweaks to the current class system in coming sub-patches based on ongoing feedback from the community.

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That is from Letter from the Producer XVI released 8/15/2011.

There's been a lot of talk recently about rebuilding trust, and how Yoshi feels that "delivering" on his promises over the past year are the reason they feel it's okay to begin charging fees shortly after 1.20. But yet here's an example of a promise not kept.

I was slightly incorrect in my OP. He didn't say "soon." He said when 1.19 is live.

This sort of a big deal. Imagine the people who leveled CNJ expecting to be a DD mage -- what if SE decides to make them the WHM? Granted jobs won't be released till 1.21, but in 1.20 one mage will have priority on nukes and the other on curing essentially meaning half of what CNJ currently is will be gone. We know this much because Yoshida said when we see the class changes for 1.20, we'll know without doubt which will be WHM and which will be BLM.

Or people like me who leveled MRD to be a tank. Will my one class at 50 be just another rank and file DD now?

I'm not saying I'll rage quit or anything over the information. Whatever, I got to play a game essentially for free for a year. But in the face of such large change, I'd like to know how to proceed.

I know several players who essentially are on halt right now because they're waiting for this information. Because materia all but demands a player level some DoH classes. But which are largely dependent on the classes/jobs we wish to play. So what are we to do till 1.20 drops without knowing what are classes are to become?

I don't think it's asking too much to inquire what happened to the information we were supposed to receive and offer feedback on weeks ago.

While I would love to see what the distribution changes are, I appreciate there's a lot going on. Also, Yoshi-P is currently in London (following on from his trip to LA last week), talking to various press/website representatives, and so on. He's got fan sites, genre-sites, and the mostly less interested mainstream games press to see, and he has to sell 2.0 (especially to the final category, which will be the route to reaching people who left after a few weeks and have never been near a piece of news about FFXIV since.

Something as crucial to the future balance of the game as ability redistribution will probably need his say-so before it can go out into the wild for player scrutiny.

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I don't think it's asking too much to inquire what happened to the information we were supposed to receive and offer feedback on weeks ago.

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november 3rd dude.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

november 3rd dude.

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I didn't realize 1.19 was going live on Nov. 3.

My whole point is Yoshida said their quality control process takes at least two weeks. Which means at this point their "direction" is set in stone and any feedback will be moot at best.

Anyway, I think Yoshida finally acknowledged this in a JP thread, if someone a little more fluent could be so kind to confirm : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...215#post420215

seph, it's pointless releasing infos without feedback on the current patch. And that can't be done the day after patch goes live.
Since you know their quality control takes two weeks...you got your 2 weeks worthy feedbacks. Now you can have infos.

I make an example: "Hey guys, the have this awesome job in mind, it's called Thatjob. We don't know what it does, nor what kind of role he can do or what abilities he'll have. I just wanted to share it with you" '-'

also, who cares when "soon" it's enough soon ?

Looking at 1.18 and 1.19 'feedback' right after patch went live, our feedback will be worthless if we can't test it in-game. I appreciate that they do this as I get to know stuff early, but lol if they think this is going to make a difference.

Remember guys? "STOP NERFING MARAUDER ALRDY"

Just saw this post in the dev tracker: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post420215

I can't give a translation, but using google translate it seems he's saying that he's going to be arriving in Japan tomorrow/today after his PR tour and will be posting this list of changes very soon. Seems somebody on the thread quoted the same text from the producer's letter that the OP did so he is responding to that. Hopefully that means we hear something before the Live letter, but I think he is saying "wait a week please" because they are still making a few adjustments before making it public.