PLD's and Threat control...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

oh I have a pld too even though its only il 196 full str no issues even if only 15k hp compared to the 18k+ fending plds and I tank in SWO mostly too and these fending tanks SHO and they still fail to hold hate. Unlike me 2-3 flashes and scorning and you pre much wont ever lose that hate in good str gear.

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Since when does Str increase the enmity Flash creates?

In a mass pull of 8+ Mobs you're going to be Flash spamming anyway, Fending or Slaying its not going to matter.

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Originally Posted by Valmar

Since when does Str increase the enmity Flash creates?

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Flash scales on attack, so that much of the OP's broadly illegible ramble is true. By the same token, weapon damage and determination will help it generate more enmity as well (although I'm fairly sure it can't crit, so that one's no good).

The problem with the truly amazing Amber "I'm a winner, vote Trump" Scarlet's complaint is that a Vit Paladin can hold hate anyways - hate mechanics in this game aren't super complicated or involved. The vit paladin just has to target the same mob as the good dd (using "good" loosely in relation to the OP here) with RoH spam after flashing the aoe junk, instead of focusing on using goring blade and/or RA to up their own DPS. If the paladin just worries about hate, they should have no serious issues beyond the occasional poorly done pull (in which case you can toss cover on the DD, and it's a non-issue).

At any rate: this thread is clearly a troll, the work of a twelve year old child, or both. It shouldn't have got to two pages.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

Is a joke like really especially the PLD's that wear fending gear. As soon as I enter a duty now with a pld wearing 2 pieces + fending I insta leave duty cause I don't feel like tanking on my Monk.

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As Ashkendor suggested, either throttle your output to allow aggro to be built (a fairly fundamental skill IMHO) or eat the penalty.

Honestly, If you are a skilled DPS player then throttling your damage output for a couple of turns should not be any trouble for you. If you can't be bothered to participate in content with players because you can't be bothered to moderate your play appropriately, then you deserve every penalty you get.

Should really be blaming the devs for this, not the players. I mean, the gear says Fending. Only tank classes can "need" on it. It's not exactly obvious that tanks are able to or capable of wearing strength accessories to increase their threat and dps. Now if they know this and still refuse to take it into consideration, then that's entirely different. But that's a big assumption to make for a random DF encounter.

It's not the gear, it's the player.

The co-tank (PLD) in my static holds threat just fine. In fact, he can peel it off me (WAR) esp when I'm stance dancing. He may not have high dps but his threat generation is right where we need it.

Texas doesn't have nearly as much bull droppings as this thread.

As another poster previously stated, unless a Paladin is outgeared (particularly in terms of weaponry) significantly that Paladin will not generally have much trouble establishing and regaining enmity in proper tank gear (provided DPS aren't actively trying to sabotage said PLD by intentionally ripping hate from enemies not currently being fought by the PLD).

An AoE damage ability like War Drum (mentioned in a thread some days ago), which sounds like a PLD answer to Overpower & Unleash, would do wonders in squashing this debate altogether.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

It's not the gear, it's the player.

The co-tank (PLD) in my static holds threat just fine. In fact, he can peel it off me (WAR) esp when I'm stance dancing. He may not have high dps but his threat generation is right where we need it.

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PLD off tank single target DPS isn't all that weak; Its the aoe threat while main tanking that falls short of what the other two tanks can do.

It's like, PLD can hold AOE hate but the cushion isn't quite as large as when the other two tanks have it.

Listen here...monk...I monk main...and I pull hate frequently as well. Instead of being a dick and not helping the tanks learn to tank...like tell them hey..i recommend using shield oath and flashing more blah blah blah...also..i recommend when you pull mobs to be a good monk and swap to fists of earth...maybe pop feather foot, keen flurry...get ready to pop second wind...maybe a good idea...you know...to be a good monk and all...i bet you probably don't even have half those skills on your bar...or use them during raids...maybe mantra to help healer keep some heals on you too? Maybe if its a constant issue save your stuns for actual needs instead of just using it in a rotation...just some thoughts I would like to hand down from one monk to another to help you be a better player / person.

P.S. Get good pal.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

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PLD generating less enmity than WAR/DRK isn't anything new, and there's not much to be done about it other than waiting for SE to fix it. So if you don't want to monk-tank, either learn to throttle back your hate or prepare to eat a lot of 30 minute penalties.

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...That's like asking a BLM to use ARR rotation instead of Fire IV.. I find telling a DPS that to be a little unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by Ragology

PLD off tank single target DPS isn't all that weak; Its the aoe threat while main tanking that falls short of what the other two tanks can do.

It's like, PLD can hold AOE hate but the cushion isn't quite as large as when the other two tanks have it.

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Yeah, Flash is needing a 3rd buff.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

...That's like asking a BLM to use ARR rotation instead of Fire IV.. I find telling a DPS that to be a little unreasonable.

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It's no more unreasonable than automatically leaving upon seeing the tank is a PLD wearing 2 fending pieces, lol.

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Yeah, Flash is needing a 3rd buff.

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Not gonna argue with that. Savage/RoH need a boost too.